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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think my understanding of transphobia is that it would be people who have a hatred of other people believing that they are the opposite sex from which they are.

    I don't think it is fair to label people who believe that sex is not in any way malleable as transphobic.

    But yes, I agree that that is slightly off topic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Rowling is still at it by the way, currently she is busy defining what a lesbian is. Straightsplaining at it's finest. I can safely say I have far more experience of what being a lesbian is than either a straight woman or most of the she's not transphobic posse rushing to her defence in this thread and I reject her definition outright. No doubt there will now be posts telling me I am mistaken -and I bet none of them will be written by a lesbian."

    Well that's slightly hypocritical.

    I have far more experience in being a man than any transman, and if I reject their definition outright, I am classed as a transphobe.

    I understand that this forum is somewhat of a safespace for people, but when terms like "straightsplaining" are bandied about, it is exceptionally counter productive.

    I can't see how people are calling Rowling homophobic based on her belief that men and women are different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    It can also mean having an 'aversion'.

    This all had to be explained over and over again before the run up to Mar Ref to people who insisted they were not homophobic as they did not "hate" homosexuals, they just didn't think homosexuals should have the same rights as "normal" people.

    Once again - you are conflating biological sex and gender. It has to be deliberate at this point as it has been explained to you several times over many many thread.

    No-one is claiming biological sex can be changed. We are saying some people were born the wrong biological sex - this causes severe mental health issues for the majority of those people, so they seek to change GENDER by finding a way to 'change' as much as possible of the 'wrong' biology to approximate as close as possible to what should have been their 'correct' biology. Of course this is fraught with difficulties, no-one denies this. Of course the body they get is not absolutely the same as it would have been if nature hadn't made a mess in the first place.

    So we use the designation 'trans' to mean - the biology is wrong, but attempts have been made to correct it, please respect that and use the correct gender designation out of respect. Trans people do not WANT to be trans people - they would much prefer to have been cis people all safe and happy in the correct body, but they never got that choice. So they work with what they got and try to make it right. And they acknowledge it by defining themselves as 'trans'.

    'Cis' means - yup, born in the biologically correct body. Go Me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Am I telling you what a 'man' is? No.

    I have no idea what it feels to be a 'man'.

    Which is why I am not a Trans Man - although Rowling and her GC pals are using lesbian visibility week to claim I, as a not feminine women, am being pressured by trans activists to transition - this have NEVER happened. I know an awful lot of trans people, yet the only people who have ever insisted I "want to be a man" are cis straight people. Funny that.

    A straight woman saying "you are not a lesbian if you xxxxx" is straightsplaining - it's not my problem if that make you uncomfortable. But it is interesting that you take issue with my calling it as I see it, but not with it occurring in the first place.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As an example, it's not an "aversion" to believe that female-only and male-only spaces/sports should only be accessible to male and female people any more than it would be to believe there should be no 21 year olds on a under 13's football team. That doesn't mean I have an "aversion" to 21 year olds.

    People are advocating that certain spaces and sports are separated by biological characteristics of the people participating in, or using, them. Not their gender.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you would be comfortable with agreeing that my definition of what "man" means holds more weight than that of someone who is trans?

    If Rowling found a lesbian who agreed with her definition, would it become not "straightsplaining" as obviously that other lesbian's definition would hold the same weight as yours?

    The terminology you use does make me a little uncomfortable to be honest. Unless you think that the inverse would be true and we could discount gay people's opinions on straight issues as "gaysplaining".

    I don't agree with everything Rowling says, but I don't how people would class her as homophobic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Perhaps you missed that i was specifically talking to to OP in that post, and addressing the points she made. You seemed to think I was talking about you. I wasn't.

    However to address a few of the things you said to me here:

    You do provide examples of Rowling's transphobia and I haven't, nor have most people, disputed them But as the OP says that's besides the point. You haven't shown how her transphobia has grown into homophobia and when people try to discuss that you either refer to her transphobia, point out that she associates with homophobes or sarcastically ridicule someone's right to even ask the questions. That's hardly good faith discussion. You weren't met with fingers in the ears, you were met with questions and discussion.

    You were met with a homophobic rant, and it was disgusting. Thankfully it was mod sanctioned and the user thread-banned, there are plenty of other posters though so you can gage with them.

    I actually suggested that OP was soap-boxing, again not you, and asked could they explain to me the purpose of the thread. This is not back seat modding, this is engagement. You say i'm some random poster - well I guess I am, I'm not sure how i go about being a specific poster however. Should i post a number of agreeable posts first before I get to question the OP? I have not invalidated anyone's experiences here, in fact that's exactly what was concerning me about the OPs gatekeeping of homophobia. Nor have I defined anyone. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else?

    I have attacked no one. I have calmly, politely asked questions and made my points in as impersonal a manner as possible. It's disingenuous to call them attacks.

    To use your duck analogy - OP said "Eggs are turning into ducks. Luck at JK - She's was an egg now she's a duck", a lot of posters said "Is she a duck? I can see no evidence of that, why do you think that?" and you responded by saying telling about all the evidence she was an egg and how she hangs out in a duck pond.


    Your point about Rowling "Straightsplaining" is difficult. On one hand I get your point, why should a lesbian not get to define their own identity? what right does someone else have to tell you what you are? The idea of that seems absolutely wrong.

    But on the other hand the term and the associated connotation is problematic. I mean is it only bad because a straight person is saying it? Wouldn't it also be bad if one lesbian was invalidating another's experience. It might just be that it's worse because of the power dynamic between straight and non-straight communities, I'm not sure?

    Added to that, if straight people are not allowed a definition of what being a lesbian is, then how can we accuse them of homophobia? I mean the first step to respect is understanding, and they can't understand with being able to talk about what it is, right?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Very succinct post. The last two paragraphs are what I was trying to say (but did so very clumsily)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No.

    Because I have no experience of what Man means it is not a debate in which I am in anyway qualified to comment. You can debate that with Trans men if you wish, but given you appear to outright reject that a trans man is a man it wouldn't be much of a debate.

    Why do you give weight to a straight woman defining what a lesbian is? That is the question that interests me.

    An aversion is exactly what it is - why do you have an issue with a transwomen being in a locked cubicle next to another locked cubicle with a cis woman in it? What, apart from using the toilet facilities for the disposal of body waste, do you think the trans woman will do in there?

    What impact on you or anyone else will a transman using the men's toilet have? Or changing room? But we know this isn't about transmen. This is about transwomen and the trope that they are potential sexual predators- and that most certainly is transphobic. In exactly the same way as those who say gay men shouldn't be allowed to adopt for *undefined reason* is homophobic. And JKR is a very vocal proponent of the trans women as sexual predators trope - I have even provided evidence of that in this thread.

    I'm not getting into the whole sports thing here given no-one has been able to prove (and as there have been so many demands for 'evidence' in this thread I'll go ahead and say proof is required) this fabled 'advantage' exists in real life. Notable lack of trans women winning major events, records etc in the 45 years since Renee Richard's won the right to compete against women. So let's park that off topic tangent.

    edit to add : straight people are a mystery to me. I have on occasion enquired why some straight people do certain things. At my heading for 3 score years on this Earth, and 2 score as an out lesbian I have yet to hear a gay person laying down the rules for what it means to be straight. Do you have any examples of this happening?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "Why do you give weight to a straight woman defining what a lesbian is? That is the question that interests me"

    Because you don't need to be an expert to read a dictionary. If a woman (or a man, or a child for that matter) said to me that a lesbian is a woman that has a sexual orientation towards someone of the same sex, or a gay woman, I wouldn't need to quiz them on their own sexuality.

    "An aversion is exactly what it is - why do you have an issue with a transwomen being in a locked cubicle next to another locked cubicle with a cis woman in it? What, apart from using the toilet facilities for the disposal of body waste, do you think the trans woman will do in there?"

    I have absolutely no issue with shared bathrooms or changing facilities. But if the changing rooms or toilets are specific to either women or men, I think there is a reasonable expectation that the people using them will be only the sex that they are intended for.

    "This is about transwomen and the trope that they are potential sexual predators- and that most certainly is transphobic. In exactly the same way as those who say gay men shouldn't be allowed to adopt for *undefined reason* is homophobic."

    This is something I have not once said. You are projecting and I won't defend a position you have created in an attempt to put a dishonest interpretation to my words.

    edit to add : straight people are a mystery to me. I have on occasion enquired why some straight people do certain things. At my heading for 3 score years on this Earth, and 2 score as an out lesbian I have yet to hear a gay person laying down the rules for what it means to be straight. Do you have any examples of this happening?

    I don't know the questions you have asked but am willing to answer any you may have.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    It's important to note that the other paragraph related to "Straightsplaining" is the important one, it's where I empathise with other human beings and try to understand their experience. you might want to think about why you liked the two paragraphs where I criticised and ignore the one where I connect.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I referenced the last two paragraphs because in the post above yours, I was trying to say the exact same thing.

    My comment of "very succinct post" referred to your post in it's entirety.

    I'm not sure why you are inferring what you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'll say this for JK Rowling, she really does bring all the nasty little misogynists to the yard.

    Take our hero Aidan Comerford, who made a magical transition from a transphobic 'comedian' (go find the video) to spending his entire time on Twitter abusing feminists and coming out with pretty much every men's rights, rape-apologist argument there is. This week he was 'no big dealing' the lurid rape fantasies of a trans woman as just your normal revenge fantasy. He is a deeply unpleasant man.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to quote something JK Rowling has said that is transphobic, and explain why they believe it to be so, go ahead. Otherwise it's just another case of men attempting to bring down a successful independent woman. Pathetic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No quote from Rowling I see. The conversation is pointless until you supply them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My apologies, you attempted this:

    “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman ... then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

    Do you think that allowing men into women's spaces is safer for women, or more dangerous for women? Think hard about that, and about why we have single-sex spaces in the first place.

    And before the (incredibly predictable) "they're not men" response, how are women supposed to tell the difference between a man and a trans woman? Be specific.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Woman means adult female human. If you allow woman to mean adult human who feels like a woman, then the word becomes absolutely moot.

    How can you feel like something which can't be defined?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One thing you will never, ever, get in these conversations is a definition of a woman 🤣

    "transwomen are women"

    "ok that's great, what is a woman"

    "er...."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Many many posters here have no problem defining what a woman is - but only their definition is apparently the correct one. And it's the narrowest possible definition.

    I have been in many many 'women's spaces' over many decades where I know for a fact there were transgender women. Not once was there an issue. Not Once.

    I have been raped. By a cis Man. They space I was in made no difference.

    I have been threatened. By cis heterosexuals who took offence at my lack of femininity.

    I have been abused. By cis women who decided I was in the wrong space. Next time shall I flash my vagina at these genitalia police? How do you propose I respond when my gender is challenged in a women's toilet? Seems my word is not sufficient so should I be strip searched?

    I think women's spaces are infinitely safer when the merchants of bigotry and policers of genitals stay away from them.

    Ya'll don't seem very interested in protecting all women's safety when using these spaces.






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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Excuse me?

    I'm sorry that you experienced what you did. But that has absolutely nothing with expecting biological women and men to be allowed spaces where only people of the same sex are permitted.

    My definition of woman is not very narrow. It is very specific. Like a definition should be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Listen, to depersonalise this a bit, I think the has to be acknowledged that JK Rowling absolutely is transphobic. By definition. She does not think transwomen are women. She thinks they are worthy of respect, wants to help them doesn't think she is actively hurting them, but she does not think they are women. That by definition is transphobic.

    Now she has her reasons for this transphobia, that she and others might feel are valid, and we can debate how reasonable they actually are. But anyone who is trying to say that she is not transphobic while she denys transwomen are women is just being intellectually dishonest.

    To argue, like some poster here do, that one is not a transphobe because really they don't believe in transgenderism is just bunk.


    That said, none of that talks to her supposed homophobia, which still no one seems to be able to corroborate, apart from guilt by association.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 JoePirate


    We don't have to believe that men have recently developed the mystical super-power to transform themselves into women.

    We don't have to believe that Jesus walked on water just because the Pope (he/him) says so, or that our bodies have thetan souls (of unknown gender) inside them just because Scientologists say so.

    You're free to believe anything you like, but we're also free to think your belief is naive nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Sure that's my point. You don't believe that. Bad you might have valid reasons not to believe that - fair enough. But you can't both not believe transwomen are women and not be transphobic. It's not logically possible.

    So yes both you and JK Rowling are transphobic but feel you have good logical reasons for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The point though missed by many and denied by many is she is actively hurting them. She is regularly siding with people who use violently hateful language against them. She is encouraging her supporters to do so too.


    Edit; This is personal by the way. Plus Bannasidhe has just given some examples of gender critical ideology is now displaying homophobia by attacking butch lesbians.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 JoePirate


    "you can't both not believe transwomen are women and not be transphobic. It's not logically possible."

    You've just made that up in your head. It's not true.

    Believing that human biology is still real is not transphobic, unless you decide to define transphobic with your own new definition, again all in your own head.

    Christians think non-believers' souls are damned to hell, which I think is nonsense. Trans ideology folk claim non-believers are "transphobes" because we don't see any evidence of gender souls.

    Blaire White IS a transwoman and doesn't believe any of this nonsense, nor do many transwomen - are they transphobes?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yes

    Blaire White is a transphobe

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What is a transphobe?

    Can you please define transphobe and define woman?

    Because as per conversation here, Blair White know more about not being a transphobe than a cis person would so her opinion holds more weight.

    Why, as a transgender person, should her definition of not being transphobic, not hold more weight than your accusation of her being transphobic?

    Anyway, I'm still waiting to see how any of these questions can lead anyone to be accused of homophobia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭ingalway


    I am a lesbian and would be considered by most people as "butch" as I don't conform to how many women dress/look/move in the world.

    I support JK Rowling 100%. There is nothing she, or anyone I have seen her personally interact with, that is transphobic. She is concerned about the rights of women to be able to freely speak about matters that affect women and girls. I don't see any evidence of her trying to prevent trans people speaking and organising for themselves.

    I do find it deeply homophobic when I am told by trans rights activists that I am a "genital fetishist" and transphobic for being exclusively same sex attracted. By exclusive I mean an adult human female who does not have a penis. That is not transphobic and it should not be controversial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Just because you are LGBT it doesn't mean that all LGBT people have to agree with you. JK Rowlan speaks sense to a lot of LGBT people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    JK Rowlan does not consider biological men equal to women, that's not hate. A lot of LGBT people would agree with her



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah. There are a lot of homophobic and transphobic LGBT people. We know this already. Its not a gotcha moment.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭ingalway


    How do you define a homophobic LGBT person?

    How do you define a transphobic LGBT person?

    Also, always wanted an explanation as to why do so few, if any, self identified trans women, who also self identify as lesbians, ever want a sexual relationship with another trans woman? Why are they only interested in sexual relationships with non trans women? It's almost like there is some difference between them. I'd love to know what that might be. Any idea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Men includes cisgender men and transgender men

    The discussion was transphobic referring to trans women as biological men

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    See if you can work out where the real dangers to women comes from?


    Here’s a hint; read the cases of rape, sexual assault and violence in the papers every day.


    The source of violence against women is men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The thread has literally just proved my point 😑

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure did.

    You think jk Rowling is a homophobe.

    Most people dont



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I definitely don't hate transpeople. I don't even even remotely dislike transpeople.


    Almost all of your posts come across the opposite of this.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, basically, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is transphobic?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Of course they do. To you.

    If anyone says anything that diverges slightly from your opinion, you have a tendency to boil it down to some sort of phobia or ism.

    I have no issue with people who are trans. I just do not accept the notion that a transman is a man or a transwoman is a woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I dont think its just me though. I'm not the only who engages with you on this site re trans people at all. Can you see why your posts might come across that way?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    it is quite strange how much people care what JK Rowling thinks. People who will almost certainly never meet her or have anything to do with her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The issue isnt merely about what JK Rowling thinks. The UK in general over the last 10 years has moved towards treating trans people really badly in mainstream media, politics and social media. A lot of that has spilled over here. The TENI CEO had to leave the country because of regular harassment and death threats.

    The results of that toxic culture are endangering trans and lgb peoples lives. Reported Hate crime incidents against trans people in recent in the UK has gone up over 300% yet surveys have revealed 88% of trans people dont record hate crime incidents.



    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    So yeah I might come as extremely angry. I am angry that all of this toxic culture literally means that there is a big increase in trans people getting attacked and beaten up regularly because they are trans. Im angry that trans people are so marginalised that nearly 90 percent of trans people experiencing hate crime feel they cant report it. Im angry that trans people are treated like absolute dirt and scum in the UK regularly and this is now spreading to Ireland. All of what JK Rowling says and does adds to that disgusting toxic culture of hate and violence against trans people.

    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    My trans friends in UK and Ireland are genuinely fearful for their lives right now. Is that ok?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My issue is the bastardisation of the word man and woman to such an extent when it can mean both simultaneously. For example, some people would say it's possible to be a man, yet be biologically female. Yet man means an adult human male.

    Man and woman aren't a gender. They are intrinsically linked to male and female which are specific biological sexes.

    I also believe that in places and activities segregated by sex, people shouldn't be permitted to use their "gender" to access them.

    Not anywhere in that viewpoint have I said anything that could even remotely be classed as hatred or dislike towards anyone.

    Yet you, and others like you, deem it appropriate to label me as some sort of transphobe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭ingalway


    What are they fearful of exactly? I see no evidence of trans people being assaulted or murdered in Ireland - which is a great thing. There does seem to be mass hysteria about 'hate crimes' which mainly seem to consist of people looking funny at males identifying as females or maybe saying something nasty, which should not be done.

    There are more stats for the UK - between 2008 and 2021 a total of 11 trans deaths recorded. One of these was a suicide whilst in prison, another was later recorded as non-suspicious but still included. 3 of the remaining 9 were murdered whilst working as prostitutes by men. Another was killed by their husband who lived on the earnings of their partners prostitution. Another was killed by another trans person. 2 were drugs related. All murders are disgusting but these trans people were not randomly selected in everyday life because they were trans.

    In the same period 1800 women were murdered.

    Pretending that there is an epidemic of trans murders and hate crimes is not helpful for anyone. It is a performative bandwagon that makes a mockery of actual crime against a tiny number of trans people. The real issue is the number of women and girls who are murdered and raped every day/year because they are female.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    What JK Rowling thinks or writes on Twitter isn't an issue at all in my opinion. Trans people do face genuine issues, but JK Rowling's opinions are not one of them, yet they are discussed endlessly. It's farcical, but reflects something in modern culture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No.

    Anyone who believes people do not have the right to identify as their preferred gender and are always and forever to be defined by their biological sex is a transphobe.

    Hope that clears it up for you.

    In case it need clarification - anyone who believes homosexuals are not deserving of absolutely equal rights with heterosexuals, that homosexuality is unnatural/disgusting, and/or that gay people should not be allowed to adopt is homophobic.



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