Tyson Fury v Dillian Whyte - Wembley Stadium - April 23rd

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2022 11:52am

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I think Joyce beats him ,

Parker doesn't like getting hit enough to beat Joyce & he will end up just sitting outside range & afraid to engage until its to late,

Joyce on points ,

normanoffside · 25-04-2022 1:17pm

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He was gasping badly from the 4th and it wasn't exactly a high paced fight.

Not sure if all the wrestling took a lot out of him but his fitness was a disgrace.

walshb · 25-04-2022 1:52pm

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I had that feeling as well. Whyte looked very off. Deer in the headlights.

I watched it with a mate and after a round or two I commented on what an odd flow to the fight. I'd say even Fury must have sensed/felt it

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2022 2:37pm

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Ye agreed there was no rhythm to it at all,

I know Fury can make it like that but all 3 fights v Wilder had a rhythm to them,

walshb · 25-04-2022 2:39pm

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This in a nutshell. Fury can be very herky jerly and awkward and disjointed, but I think Whyte made this spectacle disjointed more.

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2022 2:45pm

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I seen in the build up Whyte's old trainer Mark Tibbs said that Whyte feet would be a huge issue & when he gets lazy or uninterested he ends up feet square & that he usual gets away with it but he felt Fury would pick up on it an nail him if he done it more than once , he was in the ring showing Parker & Richie Woodhall what he meant & its exactly how he ended up when that uppercut landed ,

squinn2912 · 25-04-2022 3:07pm

If Whyte’s tactic was to get on the inside he made a very poor effort of it. No bending, no faints. A couple of times he pushed Fury back a bit and then got some success to the body but nothing very telling. The dirty stuff (I’m fine with that as Fury wouldn’t be backward about it either) lasted a round and a half and then he had Fury in the corner and didn’t try to engage. At that moment it was clear he could be taken out at any time with a combo or a good shot.

He was lucky enough that Fury pushed him as otherwise there would have been an undefended free hit a bit like Povetkin and Price. I may have mentioned this before I can’t remember. His fitness was a joke but Fury had demoralised him. He got up manfully and didn’t even look to the corner. I thought the way he got up he was going to be ok to continue (briefly) as he kinda sprang to his feet.

I saw that bit with Tibbs as well and thought that’s spot on. He was a ball of energy in that interview, very informative. He I think was more talking about Whyte walking onto the shot or getting caught with the uppercut on the way in but Fury just set it up when he was exhausted. Won at his leisure. On that showing I think he’d take Joshua apart.

yourdeadwright · 25-04-2022 3:25pm

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Whyte fitness has always been good so id imagine he came in to the fight fit but the occasion &the fight took it out of him it happens,

Whyte today said the upper cut buzzed him & he was ok but the push made him gang his head, such nonsense,

Rewatch it he had trouble getting up his , legs where not under him and he was swaying

,His instinct to get up is admiral & also sign of a fit man ,His legs just couldn't do what Whyte was asking of them ,

They split because Whyte wanted to train in Portugal full time & Tibbs wouldn't commit to it as much as Whyte wanted, Then it turned ugly looking for money owed & stuff,

Butson · 25-04-2022 3:33pm

I see Whyte is complaining today that Fury pushed him over and he should have had more time to recover.

He was out cold before he even hit the canvass.

Also looking for a rematch. Clown.

walshb · 25-04-2022 3:41pm

Whyte's career has been built on his losses.....

knocked out by AJ, and for some strange reason this clear loss seemed to elvate him to some world beater. Been dining out off this loss the past 7 years

Then cheats. Then gets sparked out by a washed up Povetkin. Wins a rematch against an even more washed up Povetkin.

In between all this he was beating the mighty and great Chisora, Browne and Parker.......

Finally gets his long awaited "deserved" shot and gets slept again....

An absolute con these past 7 years

walshb · 25-04-2022 3:48pm

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This fight summary nails it.....well done, lad!

normanoffside · 25-04-2022 4:10pm

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He was really lucky against Parker. Scored a foul for a knockdown and Parker was too passive until the last round when he nearly finished him.

normanoffside · 25-04-2022 7:31pm

Whyte is completely deluded listening to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzOFT5vOSg

walshb · 25-04-2022 8:47pm

Sorry, but I have to agree with Whythe. Twas the push that did the damage. Ref let him down!!!!

squinn2912 · 25-04-2022 9:08pm

The push saved him from a spell in Intensive Care. He’s a lucky man he walked out of that ring. He was barely fit to answer the bell what the fuk is he talking about pressing the fight in the later rounds. He didn’t utterly disgrace himself he was just beaten by a man levels above him. Move on now.

His tactics didn’t give him the best chance of winning. He was as well show more aggression earlier and go out in 3 rather than 6 when Fury got a big hit in before his own exhaustion completely took over.

Like your point on the career built on the losses @walshb that served the purpose of elevating Joshua’s standing as well so it suited everybody.

The Parker win was very lucky but he still got it. Ont he flip side Parker didn’t deserve it either so that was a good win.

I’d love to see him fight Wilder now. Wilder would love a go at that. Sorta fight that will make him look amazing again.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-04-2022 9:48pm

If the bell had saved Whyte, he was in for an all merciful beating.

squinn2912 · 25-04-2022 10:30pm

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It would have been cruelty to send him back out. He just got out at the right time

JRant · 25-04-2022 11:17pm

Pussyhands · 25-04-2022 11:22pm

How does pay and all that work for fights?

Like you have the fighters, promoters and tv companies.

iebamm2580 · 26-04-2022 3:29am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXQlFk1QIg

Wont be any top sportsman like him again,legend.

Likes his irish side obviously.

walshb · 26-04-2022 10:03am

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Where did this beef come from? Warren and Fury appear to be bosom buddies!

walshb · 26-04-2022 10:14am

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I think the penny has dropped for me. Didn't have my coffee this morning, so a wee bit on the slow side!

I take it Warren simply owes him his winnings from Saturday's victory!

yourdeadwright · 26-04-2022 10:20am

If i was Wilder I'd be straight on the phone looking for a fight with Whyte,

It would do decent number in England & Wilder would send him to the shadow realm ,

With Fury out of the picture Wilder could become top dog again ,

I know people will say Usyk would out box him which is true but Usyk does take shots & if Wilder lands one its good night,

I also think Wilder sleeps AJ in about 3 rounds,

Mantis Toboggan · 26-04-2022 10:34am

Has Wilder made any plans? Tough comeback for him after the Fury beating, must have really dented his confidence, he may never be the same again.

walshb · 26-04-2022 10:40am

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Wilder could KO Usyk, no doubt. Usyk would need to be ultra careful, but if he establishes a fluid rhythm and can ride/slip/avoid the clean power, he can beat Wilder.

Wilder-AJ for me still is a very short fight shootout. Both men vulnerable from the other landing clean and hard.

Had Fury been heavier handed, or cleaner on following up, no way Wilder goes 11 rds in fight 3.

BK5 · 26-04-2022 10:47am

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Wilder is 37 this year also. Even though he doesn't look it physically, every one is past their prime at that age. As you say his confidence was taken from him and he has been shown up to be well beatable.

If Andy Ruiz could get fit he could give any of them a good fit, he can box, can hit combinations and has a good chin.

yourdeadwright · 26-04-2022 11:34am

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Wilder is what 14 months older than Usyk so would you have the same worries for Usyk ?

Think about this for a moment

Wilder started very late at 20 so doesn't have nearly as many miles on the clock as Usyk

Who's style do you think fits an older man better ? Wilder trying to land a bomb or Usyk trying to move non stop for 12 rounds ?

Also remember Usyk has added more weight to compete with the heavies

Surely on paper you'd have to think that age would effect Usyk far more than Wilder .

eeepaulo · 26-04-2022 1:03pm

a couple of things i'd love to hear warren asked for a change, what was with that shocking undercard, and what were the ppv numbers, the usual sycophants at ifl and talksport just saying the usual nothings to him, fella on talksport actually said the undercard was good. Let warren get away with saying he is happy with the ppv numbers. if hearn had put on that undercard he would be getting hounded by those same reporters

walshb · 26-04-2022 1:28pm

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Go way ouha that.....Fumbles was on the under-card!

squinn2912 · 26-04-2022 3:12pm

I think the Fury nightmare will have made Wilder more beatable but anyone other than Fury he can and likely would catch clean. Whyte is a great fight for him. Joshua I think is better but he would need to fight aggressively or Wilder would get him.

eeepaulo · 26-04-2022 3:53pm

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The total mismatches is the issue, there was one fight that wasnt an utter mismatch on the undercard.

Today on talksport he said he was happy with the ppv numbers, they absolutely have a resonable idea based on buys before how many they have done. Be interesting to hear what they are.

They should of had big john on the card fighting a grizzly

yourdeadwright · 26-04-2022 4:35pm

To be fair with a gate of 94 thousand & ticket price between 62 - 2250 i'm sure they did ok ,

PPV in the states where 75 dollars & 25 this side of the water, i'd imagine they made a fortune,

Henry Ford III · 26-04-2022 4:49pm

I watched the fight on Saturday night.

The knockout uppercut looked decent, but besides that there weren't many good punches landed to my eyes anyhow.

Both boxers looked pretty flabby too. I'd wonder about their conditioning and fitness.

walshb · 26-04-2022 4:56pm

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Yes, the fact that 94000 paid to go in means very likely the same amount, and more schmucks forked out to sit at home and watch!

Cyrus · 26-04-2022 4:56pm

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i presume you have watched fury before, he has been flabby since he came back 3 or 4 years ago (after shedding 10 st), his conditioning isnt an issue however.

walshb · 26-04-2022 4:57pm

If AJ beats Usyk and him and Fury fight later this year, I reckon PPV be 50 poxy Euro!!

Henry Ford III · 26-04-2022 4:58pm

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Yes. I remember he was huge during his hiatus away from the ring and had mental issues. Were drugs involved too?

Cyrus · 26-04-2022 5:01pm

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Drugs, Drink and a whole lot of food id assume to get up to 28st

yourdeadwright · 26-04-2022 5:14pm

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There fighters not weight lifters .

Fury probably has the best engine in the heave weight division the lad can fight all day but a huge reason is he is so relaxed in there, It would be absolute no benefit to him to lose weight, & adding muscle would mean slight changes in his body mechanics which would take some getting used to,

Whyte usual has a great motor on him & in the build up his team where saying he was setting PB's in preparation , the occasion could have got to him, or the fact that he carried Fury weight on more than a few occasion

But the most obvious thing that one people always over look is taking punches off a 6'9 monster is going to really slow you down,

Heavy weight boxing is a bit different than the lighter weights ,

You don't need to work as clean, shots to arms ,shoulders hurt more, you can lean on people & really drain them due to huge weight differences, you can land less & cause more damage, ,

A lot of causal fans have seen Mike Tyson in his prime & think how that's how your average Heavy weights fight,

Guys like him ,Haye ,Usyk they are outliers , Even Wald who didn't have an 1 ounce of fat was not the cleanest of boxers,

JRant · 26-04-2022 5:29pm

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Yeah, it was tongue firmly in cheek.

squinn2912 · 26-04-2022 9:46pm

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I agree with you about Fury and why he has such stamina, his skill level allows him to choose rest and tempo and when he dictates that he holds a lot of the cards. Lying and holding opponents tires them and rests him too.

I think Whyte has a very questionable motor. He was exhausted on Saturday after 3 rounds - he might have choked a bit not quite on the level of Price and that would contribute to tiring. Against Joshua he was exhausted. He wasn’t getting up on the bell from R2 against Rivas and was knocked down in 12th. Against Parker he had absolutely nothing by the end and was clinging on for dear life. I guess he and Chisora matched evenly enough in both fights for stamina but that’s hardly just a ringing endorsement either. I think the occasion might have got to him somewhat but that fight was only going one way.

Eddie made some good points in that interview like him or not. Whyte wasnt at all menacing and Fury took all the sting out of him in the build up. He was better fighting in a frenzy of hatred.

27-04-2022 9:30pm

You have to hand it to Fury, he is pure brilliant. He just looks so relaxed in the build up to fights and in the ring. He really seems to just enjoy it all. I don't see who beats him. I think he'd mentally destroy AJ in the build up and follow through in the ring.

I think he'd just dominate Usyk with his size.

squinn2912 · 27-04-2022 10:59pm

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100% agree with you. He’s a genius and has an amazing mentality.

walshb · 28-04-2022 2:41pm

Awful lot talk about Fury doing this and that as if it's a certainty; and the word genius now being thrown at him. What world are we living in? Poor owl Mozart be turning in his grave!

Last week he beat Dillian Whyte, folks!!!! A man who was starched twice before Fury got to him. A bang average fighter in other eras. And yes, Whyte had a puncher's chance. I think most at least gave him this, albeit slim. But he is just too poor to even make that a threat.

There are two men left that need to be addressed. AJ and Usyk. Hopefully the three of them all share the ring in the next 12-18 months

Cyrus · 28-04-2022 3:08pm

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I can see it now:

Fury beats Joshua - sure he was starched by mr blobby and Usyk gave him the runaround and nearly knocked him out

Fury beats Usyk - sure he is only a little cruiser

😉

walshb · 28-04-2022 3:29pm

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Not at all

It would simply be a case of Fury has proved himself number 1. Can only beat the best of your era. And AJ and Usyk wins would tell me that he is now the top dog.

You need to rein in your paranoia that everyone is out to get your beloved Fury.....:)

My thought here applies to all three, not just Fury!

Cyrus · 28-04-2022 4:43pm

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surely he only needs to beat one of them?

walshb · 28-04-2022 5:06pm

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I think all three need to mix it up. That is my point. It's not whether or not Fury is number 1; it's who is number 1?

Could end up tied.....A beats B and B beats C.....

What exactly is separating them? Only AJ is a defeated fighter, but who avenged the defeat, and can now try avenge another one

If Usyk beats AJ and beats Fury and retires......is he number 1 of the era with a 5-0 HW record?

If AJ beats Usyk and beats Fury, is he number 1? More claim to it than Usyk...

If Fury beats both he is number 1, but loses to one, or both, where is he?

It's all permutations and opinions and subjectivity. Main point is that they need to fight to try settle it.

squinn2912 · 28-04-2022 5:32pm

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Jaysus me boy youre takin that very personally! I said genius but maybe not in the way you think I meant. I was considering the lead up to fights. He is so good at getting under an opponent’s skin or winning the mental battle. With Whyte he used a new tactic - friendliness which suited as Whyte is best as a menace. Wilder he was going mad and saying things to shock and mock wilder. Now you could argue that outfoxing back of the class lads like Wilder and Whyte is no biggie surely but he knew the tactic to employ. Wlad was a master at the mental games in the lead up to fights and he had him bought and sold.

Whyte is a big strong lump who is as game as they come - I’m paraphrasing you here. Fury shut him out, nullified him and then got him out of there with one opportunity. Perfect fight from his point of view.

When Lewis defeated Tyson it was hailed as a career defining win. By then Tyson had been knocked out, DQ’d but that didn’t mean Lewis was suddenly shite.

I do agree I want to see Fury fight at least one of the other two. I’m not too sure either of them will be in much form for it though.

The Nal · 28-04-2022 5:42pm

I cant see Fury walking away from a fight against AJ (if he wins) in Wembley next summer if thats an option for a venue.

Tyson Fury v Dillian Whyte - Wembley Stadium - April 23rd

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