Tyson Fury v Dillian Whyte - Wembley Stadium - April 23rd

walshb

I really hope Tyson fights on. There are still two fighters left that would be huge era type fights. Usyk and AJ.

Now, if Usyk beats AJ again, then the steam is totally gone from Fury-AJ, but if AJ beats Usyk, it is absolutely game on between the three of them.

AJ wins: AJ/Fury has to happen.

Usyk wins: Usyk/Fury has to happen.

otherwise this era is a bit up in the air!

Usyk has most the belts, and if AJ beats him he has most the belts

Butson

I have no idea what Whytes game plan was.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968650#Comment_118968650

So wrong on both accounts 😁

I'm neither pro or anti Fury but definitely think Whyte is a dosser and always have.

Speaking of scutter, plenty if not more comes from the anti Fury brigade.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968733#Comment_118968733

He just could not get any offence at all..

thing is: most the night he was manoeuvring Fury around the ring, but unable to inflict any offence.

plus, Fury is a huge man who has actual huge man talent!

Whyte’s really a grade C level fighter. Just that the era is so weak, he is rated high

Mantis Toboggan

Really thought Whyte would offer a little more, was an easy nights work for Fury who probably could have ended it earlier if he stepped on it.

He won't retire just yet as he wants those belts back, Usyk or Joshua in the summer and then probably call it a day, he's just so far ahead of the posse there's no point, and he's not interested in fighting tosh.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968780#Comment_118968780

Usyk/Joshua are fighting in the summer..

Fury won’t be fighting either until earliest end of this year, should he not retire!

Disappointed in Whyte also. He waited so long for that shot and just let it pass him by.

He could have potentially went hell for leather early on or tried to attack the body but he did nothing but look absolutely clueless. Granted Fury deserves credit for that also.

Whyte lived up to his reputation last night and he's now nothing more than a gate keeper.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968111#Comment_118968111

I’m reading a lot about why Whyte did this and that.

have folks not followed his career? He is as good as he is, which is not very good. Been lighter and heavier during fights.

you said it: always a plodder.

are people thinking had he been say, 235 lbs he magically would have done far better?

he still would only have a Hail Mary chance. Fury is far better than Whyte.

even the Hail Mary would be difficult, because it’s a left hook, and with Tyson’s height and range, that shot is difficult to get properly. Whyte has a good jab, but against the clearly bigger Fury, who knows how to use distance and range, the Whyte jab is a nothing…

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968803#Comment_118968803

Ah yes of course, maybe they can convince AJ to step aside!

walshb

Just a thought on the whole era thing and what could be said of AJ-Fury:

Fury: you got stopped by a fat Ruiz.

AJ: you beat up on a lad I knocked out 7 years ago, and who a washed up Povetkin knocked out 2 years ago.

What is glaring: Fury and AJ have no real common opponent where one beat and the other didn’t.

the era needs to be sorted. And if AJ beats Usyk, he can say he beat one the best, and avenged both his losses, and again regained his belts.

Fury needs to box and beat either Usyk or AJ, or both to really pull clear!

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968878#Comment_118968878

Yep. I wouldn’t say no to that

Morrison J

Wait till Usyk KO's AJ in the rematch and the hype for Fury-Usyk will be off the scale. Really hope Fury steps up and fights him.

Lots of interesting fights to be made at heavyweight regardless of what happens. AJ, Wilder and Whyte can still have big fights among themselves and whoever comes out on top will probably get another crack at Fury/Uysk.

I don't know why an L has to be such a big deal in boxing.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969084#Comment_118969084

Please, for the sake of sanity, can we just banish Whyte from real HW conversations.

walshb

As for an AJ/Whyte rematch.

Whyte has exact same chance as last night. Hail Mary.

better chance scoring it v AJ, but other than this chance, AJ obliterates him points or KO

normanoffside

On reflection the most disappointing thing about Whyte last night is that he didn't even try to have a go. If he'd had a go he probably would have lost even earlier but at least he could say he tried. He just took the pay day last night.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969114#Comment_118969114

If AJ loses to Usyk then its probably the match that makes the most sense. Would do good numbers this side of the pond. He's probably one of the bigger names that AJ could fight without too much risk. Whyte would probably be game for a payday and might fancy his chances.

Personally would prefer to see AJ/Wilder.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967933#Comment_118967933

Yes. A round or more....

And what stood out for me was a combination that Fury is good at, but with not near the power (I don't think) of an AJ/Wilder.

The straight 1-2 he was throwing and landing on Whyte, albeit Whyte was blocking part of it. AJ and Wilder would get that off vs. Whyte early, to close the show. Whyte is just too slow and stationary.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968650#Comment_118968650

Who has fury avoided remind me again ?

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969114#Comment_118969114

Its hard to tell,

Has Whyte improved at all maybe he has and Fury is just that good, Whyte looked visibly shaken on his ring walk looked nervous as hell,

I still think Whyte gives AJ a really tough fight, AJ seems to be going backwards

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967967#Comment_118967967

The shot a more a slashing/whip across left side Whyte's face. Whyte was also quiet tired. Ready to go. Very likely a fitter/fresher Whyte shakes it off.

Good shot, but Fury could probably land harder than that.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968134#Comment_118968134

Yes. But the demand/appetite and magnitude won't be as big

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970115#Comment_118970115

Whyte looked dreadful last night, so on how he performed last night, I cannot see how AJ doesn't blow him away.

Forgetting Fury for a minute: Whyte's feet and body movement were atrocious. He's just a stationary lump.

AJ already knocked him out, albeit 7 years ago, but that night 7 years ago vs how he looked last night........well....

Even if AJ today is not as good as AJ from a few years ago, he will still easily beat Whyte, barring a hail Mary. Whyte has next to nothing. He hasn't a hope in hell of beating AJ on points.

Same for Whyte v Usyk-Wilder: Both beat him 99/100........

shillyshilly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118950064#Comment_118950064

Why didn't I bet on this

ziggyman17

Fury is not retiring.... There is a video doing the rounds of Fury telling BT Sport that he is retiring and in the backround his wife can be seen saying No Chance..........

ziggyman17

normanoffside

One of the judges gave Whyte rounds 2 and 3

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970240#Comment_118970240

After 5 rds one the pundits, maybe Richie had it 3-1; or maybe it was Haye.....

Richie might have had it 5-0

Mantis Toboggan

I don't think Whyte is as bad as he showed, Fury has a habit of making opponents look terrible as he likes to nullify them before he dismantles them. Whyte would be alot more competitive against most of the other top 10.

yourdeadwright

I wouldn't judge any fighter on how they would do against others based on fights with Fury,

He's to tall, long, arkward, big and quick, he's something they never seen before,

I honestly think the size of the night got to Whyte he looked frozen

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970413#Comment_118970413

Most the other top 10 are muck!

ok, muck might be too strong…but nothing at all great.

everlast75

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normanoffside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970401#Comment_118970401

Richie had it all Fury. Haye gave Whyte the 2nd.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970117#Comment_118970117

it knocked a tooth out as it landed so it caught him pretty flush, I think the povetkin ko has taken away a lot of whytes punch resistance, I think that shot was taking him out whenever it landed.

BK5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970709#Comment_118970709

The Povetkin punch was a harder shot alright, he was completely sparked out. Carl Frampton didn't want to be too critical of Whyte's non existent footwork but he did say at one point that Whyte just stands square on in front of his opponent and he has been buried by 3 uppercuts in big fights.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970826#Comment_118970826

I got accused of bias because of I gave Whyte R1...looks like a pro judge agreed with me.

I don't see how Fury won that round. He landed maybe 2 punches. Whyte landed more and was the aggressor.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118971642#Comment_118971642

Rd 1 easily could be argued for Whyte!

flanna01

I visited my good friend Lord Hegarty last night to watch the fight. He has shares in BT Sport, and gets all the big sporting events free as a sweetner (along with the customary brown envelope and occasional hooker).

I was so excited to settle down in front of Lord Hegarty's 76 inch television, and even more delighted when he uncorked the Louis XIII Black Pearl ( A Cognac of exquisite character).

Lord Hegarty and I, were very disappointed with the under card. The supporting cast would best be described as a bunch of undesirables, the likes you might encounter down by the docks, or have the misfortune to meet in Cavan.

Due to the mundane entertainment on offer, we found ourselves pouring the last of the Black Pearl, and hastily having to retreat to the cellar to seek a replacement before the main event came to the fore.

With seconds to spare, myself, Lord Hegarty, and a Cognac Brugerolle 1795 (the one with the candle wax corkage) took to our seats again.

Unfortunately, by the time the ring walks were completed (and what ghastly music...!), poor Archie had taken a turn for the worse.. The brandy was making him feel unwell, and I suspect his daytime wine consumption had escalated his condition.

Not wishing to miss the exhibition of pugilism, I rolled poor Archie onto his side, allowing him to extract the poisons from his stomach, and settled down to continue the evenings viewing.

Dillian Whyte put out a poor performance. In my Grandfather's day, he would have been flogged for such a travesty. He appeared like a man without a plan? I suggest that Mr Whyte knew in advance of Mr Furys height and reach advantages? And hadn't planned for it?

No plan?

My great Uncle (on the Mothers side), the legendary General Pudsey, a man of tactical excellence, once stated that a man without a plan, is a man without a passage (such profound words of wisdom you will agree)

So with the inevitable conclusion of the bout, I speculated what Mr Whytes plan actually was? I fear he was totally motivated by the financial aspect of the meeting, and little else..

So feeling somewhat deflated myself, and a little intoxicated, I switched the television off, stepped over poor Archie's, snoring, vomit soaked body and headed towards the main doors, another night coming to an end.

An anti climax would be an understatement.

Can't wait to regale Lord Hegarty with the stories of the night, and how the fight played out.. Hopefully when he gets his health back in a couple of days..

dubrov

The judge who gave rounds 2 and 3 to Whyte should be flogged

squinn2912

Enjoyed reading up on all of this. Much more than the Armagh match anyhow. We were a bit like Whyte last night only worse.

Whyte reminded me of Browne in their fight. Following, plodding and throwing wildly.

He didn’t do as badly as what a lot are saying here. I think he won the first round. At the end of 2 I was hoping he would get through another 2 so my bet would come in. He looked awful. He got some decent digs into the body and had Fury reddened in R1. He went a bit roughhouse as things went on and that wasn’t a bad tactic. His stamina is horrendous. He was walloped in the corner from 2 on and not answering the bell - he did that at the Rivas fight. He got clueless and even when he had Fury in the corner or on the ropes he declined the opportunity to give it a go. He knew the game was up and he would be ok for a minute each round until Fury decided to plant the feet and close the show.

On the next steps I don;t think Fury will retire. I think there might be a warm up and then the winner of Joshua vs Usyk and I don’t think the outcome of that is as clear cut as I’ve seen on here either. There’s no appetite for another Chisora mauling and I doubt it if he will fight Parker. Ruiz is a possibility or maybe even Wallin would get a shot but he’s hardly box office. For Whyte he’s back two steps. Looked kinda old last night. He won’t be a world champion. I’d say Wilder would love that action. I think he will become more and more hittable in the next few fights and any contender at all would have his number by ko. A good opportunity for Joe Joyce or Dubois perhaps. Joyce could even be the warm up fight for Fury

dubrov

If there is time, Fury/Ruiz might be the right fight.

It's one Fury will almost certainly win easily but yet might interest the general public

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118972008#Comment_118972008

i think if Joe Joyce beats parker he has probably moved on beyond a whyte fight but they could still put it on as a PPV i guess, at Joyces age he needs to get a move on to get a title shot. Hard as people dont really want to fight him as the risk reward isnt great.

squinn2912

Ah yes I forgot about the Joyce Parker fight. Is there a date for that yet? I think it’s a good match up and it will show us a bit more about how good Joyce is, if Joyce were to win that convincingly then he is right in the mix for a title shot. I don’t think Fury would be overly bothered about fighting him but that could change depending on the outcome of the fight with Parker.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118972743#Comment_118972743

no date yet

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/joseph-parker-joe-joyce-agree-to-fight-in-the-summer/11yf5kzume3o419fmn30l6clsv

walshb

Parker I think should have a bit much for Joyce. Style wise I think a slick, cute, versatile boxer like Parker will give Joyce fits, plus, Parker is durable, fit and tough....Parker's cleaner and neater work will win out

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118970709#Comment_118970709

It was a nice shot, no doubt, just not as concussive as it could have been.

I do think that Whyte was very tired, and just a beaten man when it landed, an hence found it difficult to shake it.

A fresher and fitter Whye probabably doesn't react so badly to it.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118972988#Comment_118972988

it was as concussive as it needed to be i guess, that we should be able to agree on.

why was whyte so gassed i wonder, it was only the 6th round and he has done 12 at that weight before...

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118972969#Comment_118972969

maybe

itll be instructive of the level of both, if Parker wins he should be able to get back into world contention, if Joyce does he is better than he gets credit for.

I think its a 50/50.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118973202#Comment_118973202

Spot on. It was enough to close the show. As to Whyte's tiring: Only he knows. Fury was beginning to work him over the 2 rds before the end.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118973202#Comment_118973202

Whyte will never say it but im convinced the size of the event go to him,

HE normally has a good engine & in preparation he was beating all his old record on numbers with ease, He looked nervous as heel on the ring walk & in there he looked more slow & sluggish than ever, He was always going to have a heard night with Fury everyone does but i do think he under performed even if his skill level isn't that high to begin with ,

Fury has it all & i think the fact his is such a one off with his size , length & movement makes it next to impossible for lads to prepare properly for him ,