New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

eagle eye · 24-01-2022 9:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118523971#Comment_118523971

We are not that far off, don't mind our last game. Fix the right side of the offensive line, get a legit no.1 wr and sort out or replace JC Jackson. We'll have Mac with a years experience and we'll be right there.

If Trevor Penning reaches us in the draft I'd love for us to pick him. Most likely we'll bring in a vet at right tackle and draft a guard in a later round.

Gotta get a receiver, lots of really good free agents on the market. I'd love if we got Allen Robinson, if we can afford it.

BizzyC · 24-01-2022 10:13am

I think our defence is in need of a much larger overhaul.

They tailed off massively in the last 5 games, and I think age was a big factor there.

If you look at our D now, next season all of these players will be 30+: Hightower, Collins, KVN, Judon, Guy, Davis Jr, McCourty, Phillips, Bethel

I think we need a complete overhaul of our LB group, we need to get more athletic at the position across the board.

eagle eye · 24-01-2022 10:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118524235#Comment_118524235

In four of our last ten games we gave up more than twenty points.

The Dolphins game was a position where we didn't take it very seriously, I'm not sure we trained at all in the week leading up to that game.

We gave up big numbers to the Bills twice, no shame in that. We gave up 27 to the Colts which wasn't that bad really.

Shedite27 · 24-01-2022 10:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118523971#Comment_118523971

I was thinking the same watching the game last night. We're a fair bit off that level

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 24-01-2022 11:46am

We don't have the players atm to compete with the likes of those Bills or Chiefs teams. With Mac on the rookie contract BB should be looking to rectify that though.

eagle eye · 24-01-2022 12:03pm

Let's compare with the Bills. If we got their right guard, right tackle and Diggs, do you think we'd beat them?

I think we would. We are not that far off.

Shedite27 · 24-01-2022 12:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118524703#Comment_118524703

Right now Josh Allen does so much for them he's hard to compete with. Mac has been great, but he's not in the top 10 of QB's. Those top tier of QB's (top 5?) are worth about 5 players.

Pats competing with Allen/Bills right now is like Bills competing with Tom/Pats in the past 20 years

BizzyC · 24-01-2022 12:23pm

I dont think we would honestly.

They scored 7 TDs! We were wholly incapable of containing Allen. With those offensive additions we're still looking at a 47-35ish loss imo.

Until we have a defense capable of making them punt the ball at least a few times, they'd still control games against us because Allen will take off and outrun our backers when we blitz, or he'll sit back with plenty of time to find an open receiver when we play contain...

Speckydodge · 24-01-2022 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118524805#Comment_118524805

Allen was an absolute **** show the first 2 years of his career and nowhere near Mac's level in his rookie year. They stuck with him and got him the complimentary pieces he needed to prosper, we need to do the same. Definitely need an elite WR1.

Mac will really improve moving forward, will he reach those levels it's questionable but he might not need to.

Another strong draft class is imperative though.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 24-01-2022 7:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118526491#Comment_118526491

Mac's rookie year was definitely better than Allen's, but Allen's ceiling was always way higher. People just didn't think his accuracy and decision-making would improve. He always had an absolute canon of an arm. It's hard to guage what Mac's ceiling is, but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a top 5 QB. Would be delighted to be proven wrong about that but I don't see him on the same level as Herbert, Watson, Allen, Mahomes or Burrow, never mind the likes of Brady, Rodgers & Wilson.

But I 100% agree about needing to get him the pieces. He needs, first and foremost, a competent OL, and secondly, a go-to receiver and TE.

eagle eye · 24-01-2022 10:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118527280#Comment_118527280

How do you decide that Allen has a higher ceiling?

I was adamant in every thread in the off-season that Mac Jones was the most talented QB in last year's draft class. All you've seen is his rookie season where he improved as the season went on. He's a pocket passer and a very good one. He was impressive in his year as starter for Alabama as Joe Burrow was in his championship year with LSU. If we get him the weapons he'll be top notch.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 24-01-2022 11:13pm

I didn't decide anything lol, it was the general consensus on account of his build, athletic ability and that canon of an arm.

And btw I hope you're right Eagle Eye, at end of the day they are both opinions and only time is going to give us the answer. FWIW I would have confidence in Mac and BB bringing us a Superbowl, and as I've stated above a few times, we need to take advantage of his rookie contract years.

BizzyC · 25-01-2022 5:23pm

Hard to compare the two right now.

Allen is much more of a known quantity at this point, ultimately though I don't think his ceiling is much higher as sustaining that level of play as a mobile QB who's running into contact will be much harder to do. If he becomes less mobile, will his passing be accurate enough on it's own? He'd still be top 10 imo, but as is I'd say he's top 5.

Mac has shown a huge amount of promise for a Rookie, right now I see his floor as being the next Carson Palmer... His ceiling is much harder to estimate.

StringerBell · 25-01-2022 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118524806#Comment_118524806

Yeah it was humbling tbh, I think it was 7 possessions, 7 TD's? I mean, what do you do with that really from an offensive point of view.

eagle eye · 29-01-2022 8:49pm

Looks like the GOAT, TB12, Tommy boy, Tom Terrific is retiring. I'm a bit emotional hearing this news.

I've had so much joy for so long with this man under center. I don't think we'll ever see anybody challenge his GOAT status.

brav · 29-01-2022 9:10pm

Indeed I feel the same, was still playing at a high level right to the end.

NedsNotDead · 29-01-2022 10:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118551350#Comment_118551350

You sound like you want to give him a reacharound

eagle eye · 30-01-2022 12:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118551812#Comment_118551812

What does that mean?

NedsNotDead · 30-01-2022 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118552325#Comment_118552325

No need to be coy about it

eagle eye · 30-01-2022 12:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118553643#Comment_118553643

I'm not being coy, I don't understand what you are suggesting.

Can you explain please?

NedsNotDead · 30-01-2022 12:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118553732#Comment_118553732

@eagle eye Your some Buachaill. Never change.

HON THE TOM BRADY!!!!

eagle eye · 30-01-2022 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118553839#Comment_118553839

So you refuse to explain yourself and then say the above.

I'll say no more, your posts show exactly what you are.

Shedite27 · 30-01-2022 8:54pm

Grow up gents

NedsNotDead · 31-01-2022 4:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118555645#Comment_118555645

@eagle eye Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

Over and out my feathered friend

Mr. Guappa · 25-04-2022 10:17am

Draft Week!

What do people make of our off season so far? Certainly more losses than additions so far, quality wise.

JC Jackson and Ted Karras left in FA, Shaq Mason and Chase Winovich were traded, and KVN was released. Donta Hightower and Jamie Collins remain unsigned.
Additions include Devante Parker, Malcolm Butler, Jabrill Peppers, Ty Montgomery, Mack Wilson, Terrance Mitchell.

Biggest needs heading into the draft look to be CB, G, T, LB, DT, EDGE and WR. So almost everywhere!

I can see us trading back from 21 for a couple of Day 2 picks if we can find a willing partner. The Parker trade adds a much needed weapon at WR but I could see another WR coming via the draft too. Guard is a major need at present - we've been good at picking up C/G in the middle rounds over recent years. Tackle is also a big need with both Wynn and Brown on short-term deals at present.

Defensively we seem intent on getting faster. Safety looks set with 4 quality, versatile options. Butler looks a decent addition at CB but more help is needed there. Another Edge rusher opposite Judon would be nice, and a proper NT would help. LB is a question mark too, with many unproven options there at present.

Last year's draft was a success (always risky judging these things after 1 year) with Mac, Barmore and Stevenson all looking like long-term starters. Hopefully that trend continues this year. We have 1 pick in each of the first 4 rounds, plus 2 5th rounders and 2 6th rounders.

Speckydodge · 25-04-2022 1:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118972868#Comment_118972868

Good summary of where we're at man. The consensus seems to be that almost everyone want's to trade back this year but there isn't many looking to move up, I'm thinking the only real possibility is the Chiefs with 29 or 30 if the wide reciever they really want is still on the board. Saying that if Jameson Williams was somehow still there then the Pats need to take him.

Personally I think they'll either go OT or LB possibly CB first, WR seems to be deep so they should be able to get one in the second or thir we've been saying that the last 2 years though🙄

Have to say I'm quite happy with the additions , Peppers could be a real gem under Bill, Parker has always been a beast just needs to stay fit, Butler is Butler have to be happy with that and from the sounds of it Mack Wilson could be a big talent that was utilised wrongly in Cleveland.

Saying all that

eagle eye · 26-04-2022 12:42am

Well I think corner is the most pressing need. We have two guys there who aren't going to be around long in Butler and Bethel. Mills has a few years left in him but we need someone now to experience a year with these older guys. I love Trent McDuffie out of Washington. He's projected to still be there when we pick. If he's not I'd go linebacker and hopefully grab a corner in the second like McCreary, Elam or Gordon.

I don't think we need a WR this year, love the addition of Parker and I think that's going to work out really well for us. I think the addition of Parker opens things up for Bourne and Agholor. Montgomery is interesting too, he's a real Bill type player as in a Swiss army knife. We've got Meyers too who I think will take another step forward this year.

Speckydodge · 26-04-2022 1:27pm

The same can be said at reciever though, Jacobi is likely in his last year, Agolohor is in last year, Parker is only 2 years so next off season its only Bourne and Parker in his final year, maybe they get something out of Wilkerson but still it needs forward planning in this draft.

I think McDuffie is gone by 21 and your other 3 are second rounders but possibly gone by 54 , I like Gordon a lot too. They have a great record with corners anyway so hopefully they'll hit on it. Big question there too is if they are as it looks moving to more zone defence going forward.

eagle eye · 26-04-2022 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118978677#Comment_118978677

I think you'll see a deal worked out with Meyers before the season starts.

Yeah McDuffie could be gone but I'm hoping he's still there, I like Gordon too. Amazing to see Washington with those two last year, normally it's only the likes of Alabama, Georgia or Clemson that has two corners of that standard.

If you could somehow manage to get the two of them it'd be pretty awesome. Very little chance of that obviously.

I can see Parker having a great year and being traded next year for a pick.

Agholor might be in his last year but he'll easy to resign unless he has an awesome year. I'd be happy to wait until next year to use a high pick on a receiver. That's good depth in the draft this year at wr, I'd be happy to gamble with fifth and sixth rounders than spend a big pick at the position this year.

You have speedsters like Gray, Thornton and Jones and bug guys like Pierce and Polk who are projected to be there later in the draft.

Mr. Guappa · 26-04-2022 9:08pm

Yeah I think the Parker trade pushes WR down the priority list. Parker, Bourne, Meyers, Agholor is a solid group, with Henry and hopefully an improved Smith at TE and White, Montgomery as passing options too. A true WR1 though would elevate the passing game massively, so if they feel that player is there they will take him. Otherwise, a late round flier looks likely, to compete with Wilkerson and Nixon to round out the group.

I wonder if Shaun Wade is earmarked to step up at CB? He didn't really play last year after we picked him up from the Ravens, but was highly rated. Or maybe he just gets cut at the end of camp. Either way CB is still a massive need. Butler a question mark after a year away from the game, Mills rather unconvincing, Mitchell an experienced depth guy, Jones plays the slot, Williams has done nothing since he was drafted, Bryant a solid depth guy, and Bethel is a special teamer.

There does seem to have been a change of philosophy on both sides of the ball. Jakob Johnson is gone and the talk is we won't roster a FB this year.

Coreyhotline · 27-04-2022 12:26pm

It's hard to know what to do with the draft, as I think we've too many holes.

Looking at the cornerback group, I see a load of good number 2 cornerbacks and slot corners (assuming Jones is fit this year), but don't see a true number 1. That might be OK if we continue to play more zone, but definitely would like to draft a true number 1 corner if they're there so we can flex between zone and man. More zone might be better though instead of playing man and chasing superfast receivers all around the field. I'd be Ok with a Mills/Butler/Bryant combo if we were mainly playing zone. Also think the depth at safety would lend itself to that.

Like most people, I think if we want to optimise Mac then we need a stud receiver. However, not sure that they'll be there by 21, so my guess is this will be a value pick like Metchie in the second round. I also hope Aglohor and Jonnu Smith might come on in their second year, so we might have a pretty serviceable group of pass catchers.

LB is the position that worries me the most. Even if High comes back, I think he's in the latter years of his career and playing accordingly. Of all the positions, I'd like to see us address this first as I think this is the one where we've the least depth and the least talent. Seems like Nakobe Dean is dropping down draft boards, so a good chance he'd be there at 21, or possibly even early second round if we trade back. The right talent here could make a massive impact (like Leonard in Indy or White in TB)

Don't think OL is as much a concern as that's one area we've always done a good job of identifying mid-to-late round talent as well as developing depth players.

Again, DL is an another area where we do really well picking up vet talent, and suspect this will be addressed in post-draft free agency.

So in short, talked myself out of corner and into 3-down sideline to sideline linebacker.

Speckydodge · 27-04-2022 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983313#Comment_118983313

Devin Lloyd looks a good shout for LB at 21 if still there.

They'd really like to trade down and pick up a Quay Walker and a Kyler Gordon I imagine that's their dream scenario.

eagle eye · 27-04-2022 2:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983615#Comment_118983615

Yeah I think if McDuffie is gone and Lloyd still there you have to take him.

There's a lot of depth in this draft class so I don't see much trading down happening.

Of course we all know that it's very hard to predict what Bill will do. We are all aboard the corner and linebacker first round pick so he'll probably go DL or OL or even safety!!!

Coreyhotline · 27-04-2022 3:27pm

I actually saw a 7 round mock on nfl.com that had us taking 2 safeties! Probably allow us play the 7 man zone bill has tucked away in his back pocket.

Speckydodge · 27-04-2022 11:32pm

The draft is always a complete mystery for pat's fans to predict, but this year the entire thing is crazy, it might be lacking in superstar talent but it's really intriguing to see how it's all gonna play out.

eagle eye · 28-04-2022 3:21am

We traded away one of our fifth rounders to the Texans for a sixth and seventh.

ssshhh123 · 28-04-2022 10:50am

Lads anyway of watching draft highlights first thing tomorrow? I know the obvious is youtube but i dont want see spoilers as i search..

Speckydodge · 28-04-2022 4:03pm

I was wondering about that myself, it'll be hard without seeing anything

Shedite27 · 28-04-2022 6:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118987447#Comment_118987447

If ya have a Sky box, you can record it on Sky Mix (the free one that doesn't require a Sky Sports subscription), then watch "as live" tomorrow morning.

Coreyhotline · 28-04-2022 7:18pm

I can tell you who we’re not taking. Read an article yesterday on Kiper and McShay final mock drafts, and in the last 10 drafts, they’ve got one pick right between them (think mcshay picked Mac Jones). Therefore, safe bet that we’re not taking Daxton Hill, DB Michigan (Kiper pick) or Devin Lloyd, LB Utah (McShay pick), although I’d be quite happy with Lloyd.

ssshhh123 · 28-04-2022 9:43pm

Spotted it there few mins ago cheers. There also draft day1 recap on at 10am sky nfl. So might watch that on the phone in work.

eagle eye · 28-04-2022 11:24pm

I took tomorrow off. Looking forward to it.

eagle eye · 29-04-2022 3:31am

We traded 21 to the Chiefs for 29 and a third and fourth and they take McDuffie. ☹️

eagle eye · 29-04-2022 4:05am

I think it's gotta be Kyler Gordon we want, Bill must prefer him to McDuffie.

Could be McCreary either.

eagle eye · 29-04-2022 4:25am

Do we take Cole Strange, an offensive guard out of Chattanooga, projected by everybody as a second rounder with the 29th pick. Have to say I'm disappointed. Still thus is how we are set up for the rest of the draft.
Round 2: No. 54
Round 3: No. 85
Round 3: No. 94
Round 4: No. 121
Round 4: No. 127
Round 5: No. 158
Round 6: No. 183
Round 6: No. 200
Round 6: No. 210
Round 7: No. 245

Coreyhotline · 29-04-2022 7:49am

I don’t love it from a needs or value perspective. However, looks like he will be a solid pick, and when he makes the pro bowl in 2/3 years time, we’ll probably forget about where he was picked. On the plus side, 2 extra picks in the top 100 in this draft is good business.

Coreyhotline · 29-04-2022 9:15am

Interesting, sbnation had identified kansas as a potential trade partner with a swap of firsts and a 5th for a second, so getting a 3rd and a 4th for nothing looks like really good business.

Shedite27 · 29-04-2022 9:56am

First word out of the analysts mouth on the broadcast after the pick were "I had this guy as a 3rd rounder". I'd like to say "In Bill we trust" but the first round picks recently have been awful. Hope it works out but hard to be excited about it today

eagle eye · 29-04-2022 10:42am

Well the most similar pick to this was a guard taken at 32 out of Fresno State. He was 6'6" and 301lbs, Strange is 6'5" and 304lbs.

That guys name was Logan Mankins.

Shedite27 · 29-04-2022 1:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118992232#Comment_118992232

Well lets hope we hit the jackpot twice, the video of McVay's reaction to the pick (he was looking at him for pick 104) sounds fairly common around the league

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