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Amber Heards Borderline personality disorder

  • 26-04-2022 10:15pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭


    So I posted about 2 weeks ago that I strongly suspected Amber Heard had borderline personality disorder and the thread was very quickly removed and immediately people jumped down my throat asking was I a Doctor and such (apparently you need a PhD to have an opinion on a online forum now) but I've been proven to be right! Dr Sharon Curry diagnosed Amber as having borderline personality disorder and testified this in court having done the rigorous procedure to diagnose her (its not easy to get diagnosed with) I knew from Amber Heards behaviours and having been in a relationship with a BPD woman. Untreated BPD women are very mentally ill people whom whilst suffering they sure do inflict it on others too! Lying/manipulating/splitting/snapping/being vindictive/drifting from reality to psychosis/violence/rages/fantasies/hyper sexual/inappropriate in public/clingy/ etc etc I experienced these things and I'm sure Johnny Depp did too. There is an old saying you want to know me come live with me and I knew straight away Amber Heards behaviours screamed BPD from my own experiences of a BPD relationship with a foreign woman. People really don't know until they experience the otherworldly experiences of dating an untreated BPD woman trust me! The abandonment fear many possess means they won't leave your life easily either. I see the pain in both their faces. Her with the turmoil of untreated BPD and him being the victim of one.

    I do believe women with BPD need serious help and rarely if ever get it as their narcissism won't allow them to properly look at themselves or their thoughts. The most crazy unhinged behaviour is "normal" in their eyes. You have never seen narcissism like a personality disorder narcissism. God is beneath them in their World sadly.

    It's sad in society we can't even discuss these things or these disorders as these threads gets banned ASAP. My origianal assessment of Amber Heard was right and perfectly in line with what Dr Sharon Curry said in court!

    Will Amber Heard get the proper professional help she needs for BPD? Doubt it.

    (Dr Sharon Curry confirms Amber Heard has BPD below)


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The issue with your post OP is your blanket assumption that 'Untreated BPD women are very mentally ill people whom whilst suffering they sure do inflict it on others too!'

    Men can also have BPD. Men with BPD can be manipulative and toxic. ALSO Men with BPD can cause more hurt to themselves than others. Women with BPD can be manipulative and toxic. ALSO Women with BPD can cause more hurt to themselves than others.

    Can. Different manifestations. Different people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Very little anybody can do for people with this condition, I mean, how can you help them? The abandonment fear that most of them have seems to me to be some sort of neurological ingrained symptom, probably gained from some event that happened to them in early early childhood when every event is soaked up like a sponge. This is probably the reason why this condition is made totally taboo, there are too many people that suffer from it and nobody anywhere can undo the damage without resorting to extremes.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,031 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    From what I recall, your past thread was nuked because it had virtually nothing to do with Amber heard and everything to do with sharing anecdotes that attempted to stigmatize people with a mental illness, in part by supporting arguments on misinformation about that mental illness, and as you referenced in your OP, a bunch of armchair psychiatrists trying to circumvent the Goldwater Rule. Very little of the thread actually involved Amber Heard though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale


    Stigmatize you really do try and throw shyt and make it stick don't you? It's really weak and such a pathetic argument as I will illustrate.

    I said they are mentally ill. They are.

    I Said it is very difficult to live with it. It is.

    I say they need help. They do.

    That shows understanding despite being a victim of someone with BPD. I very strongly doubt you would speak to a woman who had a BPD partner on this the way you do to me.

    If anything you are stigmatising them by a) showing your extradinoary ignorance on the subject.

    The man I referenced was professor Sam Vaknin a Israeli psychiatrist considered a leading expert on BPD to such an extent he coined several of the terms associated with it!


    B) saying they shouldn't be spoken about. Why?


    That's the main thing that drives stigma!

    You really aren't a fan of logic are you?

    Like in the OP you rambled on we need a Dr to confirm she has BPD now we do you completely ignore that as you were wrong and I was right on her having it and are now rambing on about anecdotes. As if that's a reason to ban a thread. Newsflash pal about 5 billion anecdotal stories on boards should all threads containing them be banned too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,031 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think the way you’ve lashed out at my recollection of events does everything to confirm what I said. As for ignorance, I had to correct your misattribution of what BPD was and how it was defined in DSM V. I don’t recall you providing your own sources.

    The thrust of many posts on the thread was, eg. If you’re dating someone with BPD, break up with them and run as far away as possible etc.

    But grand if the revision of the thread turns out to be none of these things imho. This is specifically about Amber Heard though isn’t it, not just anyone with BPD?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I can guarantee you that you’d be unable to identify any disorder based on some anecdotal experiences. But then I’m sure you’ll get some other experts here who will endorse this nonsense.

    Seriously, get some help if you are still hung up on this ex of yours.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You referred to people disagreeing with you as incel feminists iirc. This is totally gonna be used for the exact same purpose as a few weeks back. People ranting about exes and behaving as if they're experts on the topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,221 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    can we still call JD a wife beater?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    newsflash , Amber Heard isnt a man

    no one ( including the OP ) is saying men cant suffer from BPD , the difference is that in the social media world , we are almost forced to believe that women are exclusively of the " sugar and spice and all things nice " variety

    what the OP wrote is not unreasonable , Ive encountered a woman with BPD ( wasnt a relationship situation though ) and I suspect one of my sisters might have it too , one of my other sisters suspects she has BPD instead of Bi Polar



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    “I suspect one of my sisters might have it too , one of my other sisters suspects she has BPD instead of Bi Polar”

    Prime example of “experts” diagnosing themselves and others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,031 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Neither do you, you aren't your siblings psychiatrist. And none of them are Amber Heard, this is about her disorder, not your sister's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭nothing


    I thought I read that doctor said she has histrionic personality disorder, I wasn't aware of it before, is it the same as borderline?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,031 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    All I recall from earlier was, Heard has more than one diagnosed personality disorder, and clarified one of those disorders was not Post-Traumatic Stress.

    Given she suffers from 2 DSM V disorders though, it makes it foolhardy to try and infer from Amber Heard how someone with only 1, or even both of those disorders as well may act or be.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The doctor diagnosed Amber with both histrionic and borderline personality disorders.

    At the end of the day she, like all those who have the above disorders, are individuals first with a temperament and emotional tenor unique to them. Amber Heard gives me the heebie-jeebies and I think she may be a dreadful human. I also think she may be dreadful regardless of her diagnosis.

    No doubt Johnny has a DSM-5 load of issues as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭nothing


    Thanks for that, I haven't been following it that closely. Definitely agree that you can't use a broad brush on individuals to confirm a bias against any group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I know absolutely nothing about this case but I was just curious, can you use a diagnosis as a means to question the competence of somebody to give truthful testimony?

    Like that alone would seem like systematic stigma and would drive people away from seeking diagnosis and help. We want people to get support for their mental health yet we would use a diagnosis to undermine them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭gladvimpaker


    Very had dealing with people who suffer from her condition, they try their best to improve themselves. The longest time I've observed someone like her get well was nearly 3 year's. They were taking meds, and were doing quite well with therapy made their amends etc , then they decided they should wean off their medication and knew better than the doctors because their sponsor in narcotics anonymous and AA told them they're not clean if still on medication. They got caught up in woo spiritually and that woo medicine I can't think what you call it as I'm tired and it's late.

    You can guess what happened they went back to their own ways within a few weeks. An absolute nightmare for people around them, snappy, self ritious, confrontational, self esteem to the floor and they look like monsters. Like a coiled spring ready to bounce off anything. They're also attracted to weaker people who they like to control. They control the dynamics of any family gathering, work place decisions meetings etc know what's best for everyone.

    I can't be around people who are not willing to do the work to better themselves. It makes life very difficult for people. The tension they create is horrific, it's like living in a twilight zone and there's no way out.

    The best way to deal with them is observe the way they treat others, and you'll realize it's nothing personal.

    They can't help it, it's in their nature and when they're your best friend that's when you should be ready to have the carpet pulled from underneath you.

    More to be pitied than anything, they'll also do your thinking for you as they are self proclaimed mind readers... they know what you're thinking....



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale


    You really think they try to get better? My experience of someone with bpd was they didn't need any help or counselling or DBT therapy as all psychatrists were "idiots" and will all try have sex with me I was told. I was told this despite this person knowing their BPD was destroying them and their career and their relionship with me and their family and fast.

    Do you honestly think Amber Heard has tried hard to get better? Hmmmm.

    I could tell way way before the Dr testified in court she was an untreated Borderline it was actually painfully obvious to me having dealt with a untreated BPD the behaviours are universal of untreated BPD women. As I said previously want to know me come live with me. Someone else mentioned men get it too of course but the vast majority of people diagnosed with it are women.

    Of course previously saying I strongly suspect she has BPD in the past resulted in the North Korean levels of censorship here banning the thread instead of accepting a opinion or view that turned out to be 100% correct!

    @Overheal

    "The thrust of many posts on the thread was, eg. If you’re dating someone with BPD, break up with them and run as far away as possible etc"

    I never ever said that doesn't it get tiring lying 24/7? That was a previous poster who had dated a lady with BPD said that not me! (Wrong again) Of course you insist on ignoring 100% people's experiences of BPD women because it doesn't fit some bizarre world view you have they can do no wrong. You even refer to the leading psychatrist on BPD in the World as an "armchair psychatrist" as his expert opinion doesn't fit your myopic tunnel vision. It's very very very obvious you have zero experience of dealing with these people and take offense to anyone who does but first hand experience is all people can ever really give yet you go ad hominid on them or ignore/twist or lie about what actually people said to defend bpd women. Bloody bizarre!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    @Howard Beale Your problem is that you are basing your generalisations on your experience with one person and you are forgetting that people are more than just their disorder.

    Plenty of people, no matter their diagnosis, are proactively seeking help to manage their issues, and BPD sufferers are no different. Of course you will find uncooperative people who refuse help, or only accept it when it becomes inevitable. But that doesn’t mean you can tar everyone with the same brush.

    I have no idea what it’s like to be living with BPD, but I can identify to some extend. Count yourself lucky that it’s nothing you personally have to deal with.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale


    But at least it's real experiences with people with it. Others are poo pooing peoples personal experiences with dealing with bpd people instead referring to what they may have read on it. Real life experiences is all I can or anyone can reference I don't know what anyone else can reference. Something they may have read on it? Gimme a break!

    Proactively seeking help. I can assure you it can be very hard work getting a bpd lady to seek help.

    Do you honestly think Amber Heard has got rigorous professional help in the past? I'm sure Johnny Depp can answer that for you.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Suggest two big reasons while less BPD in men.

    1. Men get mislabeled as various other personalilty disorders such as psychopathic or antisocial disorders

    2. Men who openly demonstrate BPD behaviours get slapped down hard by partners, family, friends and society. Their behaviour is not tolerated so they learn to control it better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    As above with ChocolateIce, there appears to be a strong gendered element with the diagnosis of BPD. Men who would present with the same consistent behavioural patterns are less likely to be diagnosed with BPD.

    I have in my life and non expert opinion (but a keen reader of all things psychiatry and psychology), probably observed an equal amount of males and females that exhibit BPD traits. Basically, my point is that men and women are more similar than they are different.

    There was also an interesting take from the clinician at the trial, whereby she said that Heard exhibited a very typical trait whereby she retreated to a waif or princess persona in an effort to avoid accountability.

    This is where culture comes into it, and I'd also agree with ChocolateIce, in that that particular avenue is not open to males with BPD, and they would face societal repercussions far quicker for the same behaviour.

    It's an extremely tricky business. One should be slow to judge those with personality disorders, but patience should not be unlimited. If they are refusing to seek help, or are relapsing to maladaptive behaviours, I'd be making myself scarce around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I know a hell of a lot more than anonymous social media contributors, people are often wrongly diagnosed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    You describe to perfect accuracy the traits of someone I once had the misfortune to work for ,thought they were just plain evil but perhaps simply untreated


    The " knowing what's best for everyone " is what most sticks out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    True ,women have excuses made for their behaviour where men don't

    The first reply to the OP was a dopey " men do those things too "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Oh yes I remember this Mills & Boon work of fan fiction.

    OP went out with a "gorgeous" "beautiful" "stunning" woman who secretly made sex tapes for blackmail.

    🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Maybe you should focus more on yourself and check what made you a suitable target before the next inherently evil and disordered person picks you out.

    It’s probably time better spent than ranting and raving over some celebrity whose behaviour has no bearing on your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    we're really getting the dregs since the site upgrade



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  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭gladvimpaker


    Well basically they have a script in their heads of how people should behave, respond, find funny etc

    They will laugh at certain people's jokes all the time and if they don't like you they'll just have a face on them. You know that face don't you. You never know what could happen next, and there's always drama in their lives.

    One day they'll put the feet up in work and play out they had enough, might last a few days....then you'll come in some morning and they're working like Trojans complaining about all the work they have done, have to do etc absolute mind fckery.

    Then another one is they're into new age spirituality and being all positive and manifestation of the goodness of the universe. Or into healthy eating and saving the planet.

    When you're oblivious to their game's, its a huge burden lifted from you.

    Any woman or man putting up with this must be living in hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I don't recognise all of that , is an incredibly shrill facial demeanour an indicator?



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale


    Ranting and raving? Erm drama much?

    Target? They are like a Terminator seeking their prey is it?

    The irony of me 'ranting' and 'raving' as you say is you are the one replying to it all. If my time can be better spent surely yours can too? Or pehaps you are suggesting my time is far more valuable than yours as it's only my time being wasted whilst your time being wasted doesn't count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    do they really, i worked with a chap that i suspected had bpd, hes dead now, excessed his life to death! learned to control his life, i think not!

    cluster b's are horrendous, tis sad that such disorders have come to be in a courtroom, i suspect depp is also autistic, so a cluster b with a developmental disorder, leads to mayhem, hopefully both get the help they need, and the rest of us become more aware of such disorders



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale



    Erm who said that? You always know a joke isn't funny at all when someone puts stupid laughing emojis on their own posts. Are we 12 here? No sorry a 12 year old be more mature than that. I can guarantee you wouldn't be joking about a female victim of a male BPD sufferer would I be right? Someone it's ok to make jokes when it's a man though.

    Whilst some BPD women are stunning including my ex (and Amber Heard is too) and the hyper sexuality is intoxicating at first they are very unwell people mentally like 10-20% of BPD women attempt suicide at some point. That's no joke. The suffering they experience is very real it's a shame they inflict it on others too but it certainly is no joke Boogles it's obvious you have never had mental health difficulties if you mock and joke about them.

    I do really think they need to get help and I really think they should be open with people they enter relationships with about their illness. I know from my posts and 2 others who had relationships with BPD women the women were not upfront about their diagnosis at first. They should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Weird thread starting with a very long i told you so.

    I just wonder will any of this have any bearing on the outcome of the case ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...a thread on boards, influencing the outcome, i think not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Always so nice when someone offers free psychoanalysis on line ,most charge for such pearls of wisdom, don't waste you're gift on here

    There's a good lad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭thefallingman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Depp comes across as a complete mess of a human ,what a pair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sorry, couldnt resist! hard to know where this will go though, but hopefully it brings more awareness to such disorders, tis very sad though, they both clearly need a lot of professional help



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Of course you are ranting. You’re condemning a whole group of people based on experiences with one person. How is this constructive?

    If you are correct about your ex having been scheming and manipulative then you were a target, yes. If you are self serving and strategic it’s the easiest thing in the world to pick out people who suit your need. You will have had qualities that made you an attractive mark, it’s as simple as that. And you don’t need to suffer form BPD to figure this out and make it work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Esho


    I thought so too from my own experience. I hope Johnny Depp gets a good outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    I agree completely with this, two vile self-absorbed toxic human beings. I cannot imagine a more worse matched pair. I happened to see a clip where Depp was being applauded for saying the only person he harmed throughout his addiction was himself, this man is supposedly in recovery and says this, what did he learn in there which no doubt cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm not saying that he physically abused her as I don't know or really care but throughout his addiction he most definitely harmed a lot of people around him and he is totally oblivious to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Now you are just back to ranting Howard.

    Listen she is never going return any of your messages.

    You need get over it, move on.

    I wish you well. 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    " vile " is a very strong word , I would not envy Depps life at all , he looks like sh1t and was a good looking dude as recent as the late nineties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Bi-polar is a very sad condition and sometimes people just cant be helped at all.

    A girl who I had never met called me one night.

    She had been going out with my cousin (Lets call him John here), who i was very close to until his bi polar behavior became too much and i had to put some distance between us . We stayed friendly but we were never very close again.

    So this girl proceeded to tell me that she had been going out with my cousin for about a year (He was living abroad and i hadnt seen him in that length of time) and he always spoke about me as his closest friend and thats why she got my number and decided to ring me.

    It turned out that he was doing his usual bi-polar behavior that pushed me away as i now had a family to protect from his behavior and it wasnt just me.

    When when finished listing off the things he was doing I said to her a few other things that John usually did and asked her if she had seen that and she said yes.

    So then i decided that I would lay it all out on the line for her. I told her exactly what he was like and said to her she needed to decide if she can out up with that because it wont change or walk away. Basically his MO is to ingratiate himself to people and then ruin their lives in whatever way he can. He gets some sort of satisfaction from making people miserable and ruining any good things in their lives. And you feel so sorry for him until the point he flips. He is very good at it.

    We spoke for about 2 hours that night and she was crying the whole time. I advised her to just end it and get on with a normal life or she would be dealing with this for ever.

    She didnt follow my advise and they stayed together. I met her a few times in person with him when they came back to Ireland over the next few years.

    They were to get married but he had a freaker a week before the wedding and hit her and it was all over after that because it was so public. Nobody would let her marry him. Anyway he is still the same idiot he has always been and has burned all bridges with everyone. He comes back acting all remorseful every now and again but people know him well enough now to send him on his way. The last I heard she is married with a family and is very happy now.

    Some people need to be cut out of your life even if they are ill, because trying to help them will just bring you and anyone you let near them down too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭Howard Beale



    Sad, but I do think personality disorders like BPD are worse than depressive illnesses like Bi-polar. So much harder to treat BPD with medication than say bi-polar and I have experienced bi-polar people do and they are alot more stable in my opinion.

    However yes they can mess with peoples lifes terribly and think nothing of it. Like think nothing of abhorrent behavior.

    My ex told me after we broke up as BPD women like to keep in contact (abandonment issues) she slept with her then boss to get at his wife, she thought literally nothing of it. Was like ordering a pizza to her. Now he was a married man with 3 children and whilst he was in the wrong also she very actively put into place a plan to seduce him and sleep with him and she achieved it all over his wife giving her 'daggers' or the 'evil eyes' over that she went out of her way to destroy his marriage. In her eyes it was equal her getting a 'daggers' look and bedding that woman's husband.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I used to know a girl like that too. She would actually say to you that this girl pissed her off so she was going to shag her husband. And she would then do it and tell everyone. Crazy stuff. And the thing was she was really good looking and could be a really lovely person until she decided on a victim, then the looks and charm became a weapon for her. Took total pleasure in breaking up relationships.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There seems to be a lack of knowledge and understanding from some of you about what exactly borderline personality disorder is. I'm reminded of the saying regarding people who have autism, 'you meet one person who has autism then you have met one person'. There is a tendency with psychological disorders to forget about the individual so they become the disorder. This is one reason why I'm not a fan of labels. Another reason is that they can give the person something to hide behind and even use the diagnosis to manipulate and excuse dreadful behaviour.

    Borderline personality disorder is basically a complex set of issues that come about due to early trauma. There is also evidence to suggest a neurological component. The HPA axis which we need to keep things steady when under stress is off kilter in those who have experienced abuse in childhood. Also the cortisol that the axis produces tends to be high in BPD.

    This is a bit chicken and egg I think because trauma will elevate stress in the body therefore resulting in a highly active HPA.

    There are other pieces of research which suggest a smaller hippocampus and amygdala in people with BPD. Here is a a copy and paste of the part they both play.

    •Due to repeated triggering the amygdala - the brain’s smoke detector - in a state of high alert

    • Orbitofrontal systems - deal with self-control and rational thought - less activated due to repeated trauma 

    • Alexander McFarlane' study of Australian combat veterans • Difficulty with self-soothing and inhibition of fear activation by amygdala

    • Chronic high levels of stress hormones compromise hippocampal functioning, decreasing the ability to control amygdala functioning

    • Hippocampal compromise decreases reality testing and memory functioning. Cozolino L. (2002)


    I lean more towards the developmental theories. There's a reason why a loving and secure childhood is crucial to being healthy adults. Parents are people too but they aren't perfect and sometimes the ruptures of childhood accumulate and are left unrepaired. It can be hell for those suffering and it can be hell for those close to them.

    Clinically it isn't the easiest of mental health illnesses to work with. I don't believe it can be 'fixed' but rather managed as the early hurts are healed. The treatment outcomes are dependent on the individual so it isn't accurate to say things like 'all are impossible to help' or whatever. We are more than our pain, than our losses, than the things that we have experienced.

    It's important to add that not every individual who has experienced a less than good enough upbringing will develop BPD. Babies have their own temperament which may withstand gaps in attachment and a chaotic environment.

    For any of you who would like to understand more then have a read of Bessel Van Der kolk, Otto Kernberg, Marsha Linehan and Marcus West. Google is full of statistics as well for connecting childhood abuse with BPD and interestingly overlaps with complex PTSD, not to be confused with PTSD.





    *My copy and paste came from here:Cozolino L. (2002) The impact of trauma on the brain. In The neuroscience of psychotherapy. Building and rebuilding the human brain (pp.257-288). New York: W.W. Norton.



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