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Tyson Fury v Dillian Whyte - Wembley Stadium - April 23rd

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I don't think anyone is claiming any kind of ties , to be fair it was both of them who said it in normal interviews,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    I think that's overanalyzed nonsense.


    If a man who won 41/42 fights by KO couldn't knock Fury out in 3 attempts after putting him on the ground 4 times, there's just no way Whyte can do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    At HW any of them can KO the other that’s been proven for years and years. I think it’s likely that Fury can take Whyte’s shots but Wilder didn’t catch him with a haymaker or anything. Good, clean shots. Fury can be knocked down without a sledgehammer type hit. If Whyte got the right shot on him then he could well stop him. Now I don’t expect that to happen but we can’t go much on the basis of what Wilder did or didn’t do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So go analyse the 4 knockdowns. Hardly over-analysing. 4 short moments.

    First was a nothing cuff. Doesn’t even warrant analysis

    second was a two punch combo that saw Fury on the floor for ten seconds. Some refs wouldn’t have even counted.

    third a good short shot that if you watch it shows Fury cleverly absorbing the impact. He was badly wobbled

    fourth was nothing remotely special…a shot barely even landed. He was partly pushed over!

    so 2/4 knockdowns were absolutely nothing!!!

    nothing at all extraordinary about Fury recovering from all shots.

    And as to Wilder’s KOs against everyone else. He has hit many men cleaner and heavier than what he hit Fury

    so analysis is needed when making a claim that Whyte won’t KO him because Wilder could not.

    and Fury has been badly wobbled by lesser shots than what Whyte could potentially deliver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, odd vibe off this. Smell of an upset!

    but if it happens, is it that much of an upset?

    if Whyte justifiably wins on points I’d consider it a big upset, but taking Fury out wouldn’t be that big an upset for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Wilder had awful trouble with Fury mentally as well. In the first fight he was totally bamboozled but hung in there and got the knockdowns. When it ended in a draw he had no choice but to have the rematch and when he lost that he had no choice but to have the trilogy. In that way he had to face a guy who had his number and they both knew it. He couldn’t really improve much. I don’t think Whyte is as naive as Wilder was going into the fight. He isn’t at all expected to win so it’s a real free hit for him. I think he’ll come in relaxed enough and if he performs well then he’ll be a handful especially early on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    A comfortable nights work for fury.....

    I just hope he gets the opportunity to unify the whole division soon....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Your analysis of the big knockdown is nonsense , fury was hit clean with two heavy shots from the heavyweight with the best ko record, if you look at wilder as he spins away he is convinced fury is done for, that tells you they were heavy clean shots, not many know better than wilder what a ko shot is.

    anyway aside from a punchers chance Whyte has no chance, fury will wear him down and finish him before 10.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    My analysis of big knockdowns? Read my post again. All I said was the first big one (rd 12 fight 1) had Fury down for ten seconds. Is this incorrect? Who said the shots weren’t clean?

    second big knockdown (fight 3 rd 4) saw Fury badly wobbled from a good shot that Fury took the steam out of by tucking his head/chin low.

    what are you seeing here? Where is the nonsense? All I did was describe the knockdowns. As usual you see things that aren't there when (for whatever reason) you think Fury needs defending.

    you then go on to say that Whyte only has a punchers chance, which is what my post was all about. My explaining that just because Wilder couldn’t KO Fury doesn’t mean Whyte can’t. Hence one needs to analyse. Your jump/take here is odd. Has to be your usual “defend” Fury nonsense, even when there is nobody criticising him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Fiyatoe


    Hi folks, sorry to intrude this is probably better on a technology forum or something..

    I don’t have BT Sports or Sky but I have an LG Smart TV with apps like nowTV and I hook up the laptop via HDMI.

    read that I can’t get the BT Sport app on LG TV.


    is my best bet for tomorrow night to try buy the sports package on now tv for a month? (If it has bt sport box office )

    or go to Argos today and buy a chrome cast and try buy the fight through BT sport on the laptop? Thank you in advance/


    im having a few friends over to my new house and left it a bit late in the day to organise, don’t want to disappoint with any crap streams!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    On paper you wold imagine the above statement to be true but its not that simple

    Wilder shots where big right hands ,yes they are massive shots & without question the best right hand in the sport right now , so in that respect we agree,

    The problem is if Whyte ko's him its not with a right hand, its catch check left hook , you literally don' see it and your coming forward on all your weight, Its a real lights out punch if you get sloppy & lean into it ,

    Wilders right hand is easier for Wilder to land because he can get you at range or coming in, For Whyte to get you with the check left it take a lot more setting up but believe me if he does land it he can ko anyone ,

    Its funny because against AVP in the first fight Dillion landed it a couple of times but not 100 flush & when he got predictable looking for it AVP used his own sneaky upper cut to turn Whyte lights off, again a punch Whyte did not see & ducked into ,

    I think a fresh Tyson is to long & clever to get caught by that shot from Whyte but if he gets buzzed & or becomes sloppy it could land & will cause massive problems



  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Butson


    Weird seeing Fury so subdued in the press conference the last day, praising Whyte as a fighter where he usually berates and abuses his opponent.

    Unless some sort of tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i read the post, youve said the same thing about 20 times, that the 12th round knock down in the first fight werent especially heavy shots, clean but not heavy. I disagree.

    Defend fury nonsense? someone has to give some perspective because all you do is do him down 😁 even when you let on not to.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I really like Whyte and I think it's sad how so many under rate him and act like he's useless.

    Having said that, Fury is technically superior, taller, heavier, longer reach, better tank.

    If I was Whyte, I'd go hell for the leather for the body early on and try to land a perfectly timed left hook.

    He could pull off the upset. But it's hugely unlikely and I think Whyte will gas by the mid rounds so Fury will take over by then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So we agree.....you think Whyte has a punchers chance only, as do I.

    Just because Wilder could not KO him doesn't mean Whyte can't.

    Try keep up.

    You seem to be responding to posts that maybe were from months ago. I never mentioned anything about rd 12 KD not being heavy or hard. I simply said that it was KD from two punches where Fury was on the canvas for 10 seconds.

    You think they were great shots.... Good for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    try keep up, sure thing chief, your superior intellect makes it challenging but ill try my best.

    You have said in the past the knock down in 12 wasnt particularly heavy, have you changed your mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    nothing extra ordinary about him recovering from all shots, and wilder has hit men cleaner and heavier, thats you doing it yesterday, talking down the 12th round knock down in wilder fury 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, in my opinion (and not alone) Wilder has hit men harder and cleaner....get over it.

    You are, as usual, making a mountain out a molehill. We agree that Whyte has a punchers chance.

    Nobody is saying that Fury has a weak chin. He has very good recuperative powers, as he has displayed.

    Simple: Whyte could KO Fury. And just because Wilder did not does not mean Whyte cannot. Stop looking for offence with this very correct and logical take.

    And stop looking for offence because some might think that the 12th rd knockdown was not Wilder's heaviest type shots.

    You've an awful hard on for Fury. We get it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The lads weighing in soon?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    There is more chance of me winning the world snooker championship than that happening.

    The gulf in class is huge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    On points, yes...little chance. But it's HW boxing......big men punching!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So far Haye and Chisora backing Whyte by KO, and Conor Benn was, but now on the fence...

    Lot folks backing Fury, but giving Whyte a real decent chance! Probably most just being diplomatic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,122 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Weird seeing Fury so subdued in the press conference"

    Is it possible the Kinehan craziness has unsettled him?


    I hope Whyte knocks him out, just for this alone..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    just because you are wrong doesnt mean i am looking for offence, get over yourself kid,

    you have an awful hard on for anyone that isnt fury 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whyte 253 lbs and Fury 264....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nothing right or wrong, kiid. All just opinions; just take a chill pill and accept that we call can't have hards-ons for Fury!



  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Butson


    Fury stone lighter than against Wilder last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Whyte looks fairly fat by his own standards. Fury looks to be in good shape (for him)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, I saw that coming. He looked trimmer from any videos I saw the past few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,908 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Wouldn't read much into it I don't think Haye has ever picked Fury in any fight ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I think you are right.

    surprised at chisora picking whyte, but who knows what his motivations are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭BK5


    Fury had a very poor prep for the 3rd Wilder fight so not surprised to see him lighter. Whyte coming in at 18 stone is too heavy in my opinion.

    As said above Fury has much the better gas tank and Whyte comes in heavy, makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    id agree, he must be hoping for an early night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep, a man after me own heart; although even I have seen the light!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Fury seems to be in good shape, my concern for him would have been a poor preparation, but it looks like he did focus and prepare well. He has physical advantages and is a better boxer too so it's hard to look past him. A Whyte win is not impossible, but a Fury one is far more likely. I'd go with a late stoppage .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭BK5


    I stopped betting against Fury after the 1st Wilder fight, he proved me wrong about 3 or 4 fights before it. 😀

    I know 253 is an average weight for Whyte, but do you not think that is too heavy for a pro boxer of his size/height?

    A lot of the modern heavyweights look like fat slobs these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I agree.....253 is too heavy for these 6 feet 3/4 lads....

    FFS, Lewis and Bowe, who are both bigger than Whyte in an overall sense, were 230s at their peak.....and ATG they were.

    One thing you hear a lot today is that the lads are better today because they are bigger.....no, they are not at all bigger. Some are, but most are just out of shape heavier.....

    Whyte and Chisora, for example would be normal sized HWs in the 1980s and 1990s......just fat and overweight!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭BK5


    I honestly don't know how they think they are better when they are carrying too much weight and basically not in prime shape. I read once that Holyfield was never once the heavier man in any fight he had at heavyweight, and I think he done ok for himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Agreed

    Holyfield, of course came up from 190 lbs to win the HW title. Mostly lighter than opponents and still wins, but against the real big men with real talent, the size/weight showed, and he was beaten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Evander was never going to be a natural heavy weight, but seen the success Tyson had as a smaller man & decided to go for it,

    The bodyy transformation to heavy weight for Evander will always be suspect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Initial weight gain was 15-18 lbs. Not that much for a man of Holyfield’s size. The mid 90s Holyfield body shape/weight more questionable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I will double down on Fury winning. Whyte's weight and shape means he must have been half hearted in training. He needed to be in a trim 240-245 for me to show he was coming for anything other than a pay day.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can virgin media customers in Ireland legally pay and watch this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There is a link for Virgin Media tv subscribers on the BT Box Office site

    https://www.bt.com/sport/box-office/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,463 ✭✭✭✭blade1




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    The little bit of understated build up to this has actually been great fun. Both lads high 5ing and having a laugh with each other. I like it.



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