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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,046 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Fair enough I’m only really speaking for myself which is all any of us can do, but watches that used to interest me don’t any more (and I’m not in the same league as some of the lads here ) but also I have no interest in owning 20 watches so a few of a certain level is what works for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    I don’t think that’s what’s Fitz is saying. What I took it as it’s hard to objectively “judge” (or what ever word fits here) certain brands unless you have “next level” experience.

    If you have only driven a Toyota you will think they are a lovely car. And they are, a brand new one is a nice place to be. Then sit into a 20 year old Mercedes for first time and even then you will feel the luxury more). I drive neither a Toyota or a Mercedes, replace brands as you choose.

    I wouldn’t count RM as hauto horological personally but YMMV. I think there are lot of people with high end collections around here. especially lurkers!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    what about Ed Sheeran ? Another collector who has confessed a love for g shocks, surely he’s not part of the affordable watches sales team as well?

    I'd say that Ed like many who we see more publicly now has come to the hobby pretty recently. Within that wave that kicked off five to six years ago. He's avoided the Rolex stuff and fair play for not being that obvious and went straight to Pateks(even that trend is within the last five to six years. Pretty much nobody was lusting after 70's design steel Pateks and RO's before that. Even among the uber collectors 70's stuff was seen as passe. Oh to have a time machine😁), but part of that wave would be influenced by the G-Shocks are great! trend. Ten years ago and before you certainly had G-Shock collectors, but they were overwhelmingly only G-Shock collectors and usually had a mob of them and much of the hihher end of that collecting niche was for very early examples(which could go for strong money). Today the trend would be for new "high end pieces" and a current model G in the mix, or an entry levelish Seiko diver.

    That same collecting trend also veered from mostly vintage collectors to new. For the majority of collectors low and very high end it was mostly vintage iron, new and current was generally seen as outside the "true" collector sphere and it had been altogether more nerdy. There was some crossover in the early days, but vintage was too fraught for newbs, flipping was rare among the collector class and dealers didn't like it either as it was equally fraught for them, supply was actually finite and real expertise was required, or there were burnt fingers all around.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    The VFM argument is very much against Rolex, more so if you are actually into watches. And gets worse and worse each year (or each day as todays price is not the same as yesterdays price).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,022 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    100% agree on that front. But even the argument that could be made for the sub and it's utilitarian design classic themes and store of value arguments are out the window for me tbh.

    No-one wants to lose money on a watch, but I can't look at watches with that "safety net" need in my mind. I am trying to focus a bit more on buying what I like. Now sometime I may decide I want a Rolex, but it won't be a Sub or GMT nor a Daytona tbh. A skydweller maybe but even then? I think it is more the novelty of the functions.

    Weirdly what has been catching my eye and I think I might have mentioned them before? Is the Maurice lacroix masterpiece range, 2nd hand there is some great value there for finishing and some functions that you rarely see in sub 5 figure pricing IMO.




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I think that Maurice Lacroix seems such good value is because of servicing cost. When was it serviced and what did or will it cost the new owner to have it done?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Just changed the battery in my ETA 251.262 powered Tag CA-1211-1 special editon.

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    27 Jewel, five motor, seven hand movement. 200m rating, with wet suit extension on the bracelet.

    Mine is from the last year of official time keeper in Formula 1 status, and the back is inscribed as such.

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    At 37mm, it is the smallest watch I wear, but first 'good watch' I ever bought.

    Having had Omega and Breitling since, the quality stands up well. Now twenty plus years old, it is a keeper. It even has the Tritium on carbon fibre dial.

    It's a keeper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭covey123


    Hi all,a question about buying from chrono24.

    I've been looking at a Surfa Diver One for a while now


    but as it would be shipped from the UK, duty etc. according to my rough calculations it could be north of €400 including a bracelet.

    I came across this:

    I've contacted the seller, received back an asking price of €250 + 20 shipping (I'm assuming I can come in with a lower offer)

    Any tips or advice before I make an offer as I haven't used Chrono24 yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,022 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    My main piece of advice when buying via C24 is. If the seller is a dealer, with a good rep and a shop or long established web presence. Contact them about the watch via their own website, the 6% commission c24 charge is better in your pocket than C24's.

    Now granted you lose the C24 guarantee/escrow service but? If buying from an EU based dealer is the C24 service worth the premium?

    Following advice offered by other users here, (Scwarzh I think? Did a direct deal with an Austrian dealer?) and a few others I've started to use C24 more as the shop window, rather than the platform.

    The US seller will be subject to the same VAT and handling on landing, and would come in at @340 landed which is good value IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    @covey123 I've only ever bought within the EU on Chrono24, but not had a problem. German small dealer. Have sold two items too, a Cartier and a Breitling, both painlessly.

    The Chrono24 system is very good, and I had no issues with it either time. They are very eager to ensure buyer satisfaction, it is stacked in your favour.

    Good luck, and nice piece.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Cassius99


    That's an interesting watch alright, from a time I think we all aspired to have something so closely associated with the glamour of F1!

    It looks very like the movement in my Victorinox Hunter (been a while since I opened it up). Apparently they're known to have issues with the rattrapante (mine certainly has!), a lot of people online seem to suggest have a donor/replacement movement at hand for the future, repair doesn't seem to be a viable option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,067 ✭✭✭Lorddrakul


    Indeed, this is the case. The ETA 251.262 was widely used up and down the value range, from low end Tags like this to higher end stuff like Breitling, Longines and Eterna.

    They don't make them anymore, as they have been superseded. I got a NOS movement as a precaution when mine developed a chrono fault. However, my tame horologist was able to sort the original, so I have a back up now. I got the movement for about €220 delivered 3 years ago. Don't know what they are going for now.

    I actually used this for PADI licence diving, something I haven't managed with my SXK :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    My Dornblüth is built and in test for the next 3 weeks…..! Just have to pay for it now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Is is crude to ask how much it costs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Just shy of 6.5k. Think their cheapest model is around 4.5k. You pay extra for engraved dials vrs painted dials, ceramic dial vs brass dial etc. Mine is still relatively entry level and they can be up to 20k when you add in-house movements, PM cases etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Tempted to uptrade my Nomos Club Neomatik Atlantik. Really fancy the Neomatik Update models, either Tangente or Metro, both with the same movement and that really cool date design.

    But incredible lead times of 10 months in the Nomos online shop and the same on chrono24. Even for my Atlantik I'd have to wait 6 months if I bought it now.

    Any ideas why this might be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭funkyouup


    Seiko 5 GMT on the way according to reddit, bit pricey when you could nearly have 2 moon swatches for it🙊

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Global supply chains are in general half fucked. I am also guessing Nomos are busy and can’t keep up with temporary demand.


    Which ref number are you thinking? And which one do you currently have?


    I have been eyeing an 807 a bit. Think it’s handsome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    807 is very handsome. From what (little) I know of your other watches I can see how you would like this one.

    Can't help there unfortunately. I've got a 741 and I'm tempted by either 182 or 1165.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,584 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Just spent the last hour browsing and looked at the 182 for a long time! The 182 is absolutely gorgeous. Straight to the top of my list for Nomos wants. I wouldnt think twice!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Would've probably bought it today only for the 10 months lead time. Was very close... Then I started browsing and ran into the 1165 and its so bloody elegant and yet casual. And again, 10 months.

    On the upside with those lead times I probably wouldn't lose much at all on my 741. There is only one 2nd hand one on chrono and its listed for a little more for what I paid new.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Schiphol airport last night and for once there were actually about 100 Rolex watches in store, proper ones too, most of the popular steel sports were there too as well as precious metal. The "exhibition only" cards were everywhere, but these were actually real watches!

    Tried on the bluesy sub, really getting a feel for that, the blue dial is very addictive. I'll just have to take the two-tone that comes with it.

    Also tried on the blue skydweller. That watch has a massive presence, a heavy hitter. Liked it a lot, but maybe I'm still a bit young for it 😂 also no quick adjustments to the bracelet, which is a no-no for me.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Re the exhibition watches - are you not allowed tried them on? i was in weirs a few weeks ago and they said they were for display purposes only



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I heard on Tub's radio show this morning that the Museum of Time in Waterford are having a special exhibition on 20th-22nd of May. There's supposed to be a few watch makers present;

    We'll have to get Oisin over to help us with our pronunciation 🤔.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You are allowed to try them on. Same in Lunn's too. But like yourself, I was refused to try one on in Weir's a few weeks ago. I'd say badly trained junior staff don't know what they are doing in Weir's. Very unprofessional.


    These watches in Schiphol were all real though, and just a young lady in the shop, a few million worth of Rolex there. And no security to speak of. But I guess they reckon there are cameras everywhere and it was airside too

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,022 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Are the real watches actually for sale though? Because I'd certainly grab a flight if they were, just to flip it into cash or something German 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,046 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    thats ridiculous from Weirs the whole idea of exhibition watches is that you have something for someone to try on FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel



    Yeah, maybe I should have asked for a senior Rolex salesperson, the junior people I was dealing with hadn't a clue / were wrongly instructed. Very unprofessional from Weir's.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What do you think? 😂


    The lady started a sentence with "unfortunately..." and I cut her straight off that I know they aren't allowed to sell them. Unless a Chinese billionaire with a massive spending history walks past 😁 (I didn't say that bit)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,022 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I know, I know 😉 but I had to ask.

    I am leaning towards a Tudor blackbay pro as my next buy. I have to have a clear out 1st tho as somehow I'm back up to having 10 watches 😮 11 if I count the Sinn up for sale in Belfast. My 1 in, 1 out rule may have fallen by the wayside for a little while🤦‍♂️



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