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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    So, you're saying an SSO group of Ukrainians blew up some vehicles?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No. The SSO group of Ukraine blew up a bridge with enemy equipment going to Izyum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah, surely if it was hit by missiles there would be casualties and sinking.

    Just maybe we don't yet know the truth and either side could be lying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well there are pros and cons. On the one hand, as you point out they have the support but the countries likely to change their support for a country using all of its means, including terrorism, to defend itself from a much larger aggressor, are probably not offerring much support to begin with, I dont believe it would be a red line with the US for example who provide important support as opposed to well wishes and prayers. The pros are pretty substantial. For one thing, Russia is operating at this quite frankly unbelievable advantage of a shot to nothing. They are free to invade without risk of losing territory,infrastructure or civilians. They are in a position where they can exhaust their military options without having to defend themselves, which to me is a huge strategic advantage. Attacks on Russian soil may in the short term lead to some hardened support within russia for the war but those russians were hardly swing voters to begin with, Russia already 100% controls the internal narrative. However, persistent and ongoing terrorism within Russian cities would psychologically effect the russians, eventually they would have to wonder "is this worth it?", once they see their own loved ones being hurt and their standard of living being further diminished by the increased security and fear that will no doubt be a response. Killing relatives or friends of the Russian leadership would be particularly effective as well as infrastructure that effects large populations like power stations or transportation hubs.

    The Ukrainians have the higher moral ground, they are the defenders, they have the right to use all the means at their disposal to defend their loved ones. No point in being afraid to offend someone in Germany or Kazakhstan , when they offer no real support anyway. As far as Russian threats are concerned, what will they do? Commit war crimes? Execute POWS? Target civillians? This is already part of their war doctrine. Nothing to lose as far as I can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "The group of the SSO of Ukraine blew up a bridge with enemy equipment heading to IzyumUkril

    days ago, our soldiers discovered enemy equipment in the Kharkiv region. These were armored vehicles "Tiger", Kamaz and three Urals, moving to strengthen their group in the Kharkiv region.

    Having established the route of the enemy column, the operators of the SSO of Ukraine carried out reconnaissance of the object that was most suitable for an engineering ambush. Next - painstaking professional work: determining the place of installation of charges, calculating the required amount of TNT equivalent.

    Putting explosives in a certain place, the operators of the Special Operations Forces were waiting for the enemy, who, unsuspectingly, was going to meet death.

    Having blown up the bridge with the Russians, our operators, with the help of UAVs, confirmed the defeat of the target.

    After that, the case was completed by our colleagues from the Ukrainian Defense Forces."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Apparently the horde are jamming GPS signals in Ukraine.

    Perhaps the US could supply a GLONAS jammer if they don't already have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    I think all you guys saying no benefit to Ukraine in bombing Moscow are missing the point. The poster was clearly suggesting that the Russians would plant the bombs to justify further aggression and support for the war, as was reputedly the case with the Chechnya war.

    In this situation I don't see it happening, it's not like the majority of Russians are against the war and need convincing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    A ship that is hit doesn't necessarily sink.

    What we do know for sure is that the ship suffered a very serious explosion because Russia have confirmed this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    This Russian claims that the Moskva is already back in Sevastopol.


    I'm sure it would be very easy for someone to provide a picture of it if that was really the case. Surprised they're not showing us something like this:

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    And claiming it's in stealth mode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It would be very interesting if they could damage gas pipelines like Nord Stream 1. That would really get Europe's attention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Field east


    thats attacking Rushian property and Putin , as per his logic, and is entitled to up the ante to another level!]"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Collaborator bridge should have stayed where it was.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Is it possible to jam GPS on a wide scale?

    Can be done to block nearby devices from picking up location data, but would need some significant transmission hardware to do so over a wide area I'd have thought.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That'll learn it.

    I was wondering why they hadn't done this already. But, maybe they don't trust the Germans not to commission Nord Stream 2.


    Plus, afaik, Russia is still paying them for the gas transferred. Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Oh I don't think I've got you wrong at all, don't you worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Thanks for that.

    I reckon the new thread chorus is

    The group of the SSO of Ukraine blew up a bridge with enemy equipment heading to Izyum

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Old story, but this article about North Korea using a Russian GPS jamming system in 2012 claims that it had a radius of 100km




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Actually given the size of the warheads on the Neptunes they wouldn't sink a ship that size easily.

    The unknown factor is cooking off the munitions on the ship, take the P-1000 Vulkan Anti-Ship missiles that are mounted 4 on either side in pairs. Those missiles have a 1000kg warhead. If they went off the ship would be in bits. It has 60 large s300 Anti-Aircraft missiles.

    Basically this ship has a **** load of things that go boom on it. If either of the Ukrainian missiles managed to get any of those to go off that ship is now in pieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I believe the main significance to this story and the images is that building had managed to survive two previous major wars, and then the orc horde arrived.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭thomil


    Not necessarily. Whilst ammunition cooking off is hardly unusual even in this day and age, there's a decent chance that a lot of the explosive energy would vent out through the tops of the vertical launch tubes of any missile magazine that was hit. The secondary explosions would still cripple the ship but given that the Moskva doesn't have the massive ammunition hoists and below-decks magazines that were a feature of most classical battleships or battlecruisers, the chance that Moskva would just cease to be as it happened to HMS Hood or a number of battlecruisers at Jutland is pretty remote. She'd definitely be out of the fight for good though, whether afloat or not.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,857 ✭✭✭threeball


    Cloaking mechanism was activated. Automatic response to damage on all Klingon ships



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It would finally force Germany into picking sides at least. And they can't choose Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Speaking of piling up bodies:

    Ukrainians are annoyed that the horde won't take back 1,500 bodies that are clogging up their mortuary freeezers.

    Meanwhile, in St Petersburgh, a lucky few limbless orcs manage to make it to a holding pattern of stacked ambulances waiting their turn to disgorge their critical condition cargos.

    "In St. Petersburg hospitals brought more than a hundred seriously wounded in Ukraine orcs


    According to Ukrainian intelligence, about a hundred invaders in these vehicles – with severed limbs"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,431 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    US officals have said many of the ships that were assisting the cruiser have moved 80 nautical miles from the coast..

    Because everyone knows ammo becomes more volatile when you are closer to the coast ....... Prone to spontaneous combustion.


    Much safer out at sea



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Reminds me of the Soviets flying the helicopters so high to keep out of rocket range in Afghanistan that the Soviet soldiers jokingly referred to them as 'Cosmonauts'

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Afraid of loosing a few more!

    And it just shows the usual Russian propaganda, why move the fleet if it was only an accidental fire on the Moskva, though they will claim the other ships don't have the protection offered by the Moskva, that is all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ahh FFS you compare what the sleeveen Dev did with regards Hitler to what the Swiss did enabling Hitlers war machine for over 5 years.

    Yes that happened in the 40s, but don't ever forget the Swiss banking system still refused to return funds to the families of holocaust victims, who had lodged money into Swiss institutions before the war, until the 1990s when a US senator helped force the US government to threaten to withdraw banking licenses in the New York.

    Only then did the Swiss start releasing funds.

    Also the Swiss have long provided a conduit for every despicable scumbag dictator in the world to lodge and hide their ill gotten gains.

    And you compare Switzerland a country that existed almost in the same makeup since the 13th century, with only a period of less than 20 years under foreign domination since then, with a state that has existed only a 101 years and which has spent 600 years under foreign occupation with continous ethnic clensing of the indigenous population.

    Ireland has only known prosperity for the last 30 years so couldn't afford to do much with regards investment in defense.

    Yes a lot more should be invested in maritime defenses, something of course Switzerland doesn't have to worry about unless you count lakes Geneva and Constance.

    I have nothing but distain for a lot of what Switzerland stands for, because they are the ones that make money out of others misfortunes.

    They did very well financially out of WW2 and they did very well out of the suffering in Africa that has existed ever since that continent got independence.

    Now they may be very officious and organised, it may have a better form of democracy, it may be a beautiful country, but that doesn't change the facts of how it got a lot of it's wealth and power.

    BTW I would have thought you kiwis would still be relying on the Royal Navy to protect your shores.

    After all you guys used to give enough young lives to fight Britain's wars.

    Anyway when are you going to grow a pair and declare proper independence 😉

    I am not allowed discuss …



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