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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Moldova would likely be handy enough but most likely he'd only go in to try and provoke.

    It's easy to forget some of this stuff day to day. 😅 Bearing in mind the power structures no-one was going to tell Putin anything he didn't want to hear. One wonders about how much intelligence the FSB actually use and give to their superiors. That **** caught today was probably telling everyone in Russia what they wanted to hear. How much honesty do we think there was about what was happening in the Donbas? How much was actually sent back to the Russian hierarchy? Who wants to be the one to tell Putin "Ya know, it would only take a couple thousand dollar drone to take out a few of our tanks at a time"?.

    My guess with that in mind was rather than being widely welcomed they just expected no resistance because hey, it would be futile. Because life is futile, or so the Russians think. Their plan though was spelled out in terms of rounding up the elites and ethnic cleansing where "necessary". They would only need to be welcomed in a couple of places in the East and surely rest of Ukraine would just bend over for them right?

    Also from reading military sources it would seem that the Russians don't have the hours in the air to do what the Yanks, Brits and French can do in their sleep with multiple planes and targets. They don't have the kind of precision weapons in the numbers we'd assume (because **** 'em). They'll have thought the war in the East wore down resistance elsewhere, that they only needed proper support from a fraction of the population etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Germany will supply weapons to Ukraine – Steinmeier


    Berlin is ready to change its security philosophy and will supply Ukraine with weapons.

    He noted that with such a Russia, after the world saw its war crimes, there can be no return to normal relations. The President of Germany stressed that Berlin will supply weapons to Ukraine.

    "We stand in solidarity with Ukraine," Steinmeier

    said, adding that Russia's war crimes must be documented and investigated, and perpetrators and those who made a political decision should be held accountable."

    I'll believe it when the Ukrainians say the Leopards have arrived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭wassie


    "Appropriate work is being done with them."

    Enough said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At this point I'm hoping private companies are flooding Ukraine with non-military spec drones. Just regular drones with a half-decent payload with munitions that can fall straight are useful and they could probably make plenty of parts themselves and losing them isn't a huge loss either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oil and gas from Russia is their lifeline and where is hurts most.

    Offcourse the French would surrender again

    Might as well travel with a white flag to Moscow



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Soon we will see more drone top attack on twitter live from Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The face to face meetings with Macron and the Austrian Chancellor Nehammer yesterday might seem like they produce nothing but they do have a value for western intelligence. Macron and Nehammer are under no illusions that they were going to show up to Moscow and Putin would stop the war at their request, it is not about that. Putin is the adversary in war here so any opportunity for western leaders to meet him face to face should be taken as it allows an opportunity to assess his state of mind and his health, if he is truly a madman with nuclear weapons or if he is just bluffing. As the Japanese strategist and philosopher Musashi once said "Know your enemy and know his sword"

    The other value in continuing to meet him is that Putin is surrounded by yes men who are scared of telling him the full truth of this war. Meeting a western leader is an opportunity to show Putin how badly his war is going despite what his generals are telling him. Now maybe Putin knows how badly it is going and he doesnt care. Or maybe the Russian figure of only 1,500 soldiers dead is disinformation coming direct from own generals who are too scared to tell Putin the truth of 10,000+ Russian soldiers dead for fear of their own safety. If the latter is the case him being shown how badly his war is going does has a value for Ukraine, especially if it results in a purge of Russian military leadership which in turn will destabilise the Russian armys war effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Unfortunately looks like just separate pockets of troops within Mariupol who have reached each other only.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It would be great if Nato accidentally air dropped weapons and supplies into Mariupol for a few nights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Interesting, combined with the further $670m in funding that's been slated...



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the will to fiht those guys have shown I find it weird that they'd surrender. Not a criticism in any way, more a musing. Like surely they're expecting any surrender to result in torture and death anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    And it would even be better if NATO just came in and stopped this war. It can be done once it stays in Ukraine.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the talk of Finland I honestly think if Russia tried to take it by any means other than a nuke then it would be the end of the Russian state. Ukraine seems like a meatgrinder, Finland would be another level again. I mentioned to a mate about someone on here posting about a lad he knew in Finland working for Nokia who'd go off for his military service etc. and he said he was talking to a Finn on a work training course with similar experience. Was mostly jolly but said that every Finn is ready if it ever happens. He said he worked close to the border on his service and that no-one has a real idea of just how prepared Finland are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No food, no ammunition.

    They are not going to throw stones.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Finland are always ready to fight against Russia. They have a long history. Finns wouldn't ever sit back and let Russia invade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Something I have speculated on for years is the mysterious great hole in US air capabilities. Why don't they have something with KC-130 like capabilities, but with SOA stealth? The capability to insert and drop things into contested areas seems like such an obvious capability you would want to have. Stealth HALO insertions and deployments of special forces behind enemy lines, or as in this instance, dropping supplies behind enemy lines and in contested airspace.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Here's an idea:

    "Joint Precision Air Drop System, a GPS capable parachute which delivers supplies from thousands of feet away from a forward operating base.

    ...

    However, the JPADS aerial delivery can be dropped from an altitude of up to 20,000 feet and 10 miles away from the point of impact. It’s also designed to land within 150 meters of the point of impact, Hughes said." https://www.dvidshub.net/news/66315/lifeliners-using-more-precise-higher-air-drop

    This has me wondering if they could drop it from even higher over the Black Sea and have it steer from international airspace to Mariupol. I know the airs thinner, but lighten the load...

    The Ukrainians would tinker for a weekend and add an ultralight engine, fuel tank and remote starter to the pallet and quadeuple it's horizontal range by the Monday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭farmerval


    I wonder was there a broader theory around world affairs and the likelihood of a united response. The US retreat from Afghanistan, a complete change in the top roles in the EU, Merkel retired. UK post Brexit. Lots of things that they may have believed would fracture the response internationally.

    Imagine though if Trump was still in Power? Maybe at the same time Boris wasn't in dire need of a distracting narrative to save his hide. Without Biden's straight talking and constant declarations of war crimes and calling out every Russian move, then the story may be different.

    One of the big things in this conflict was how Putin never got control of the narrative, once he invaded and we were past the will he, won't he stage the Russians were wiped off the floor by Zelensky's media skills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If they went at Finland with a nuke, it could also be the end of the Russian state. They're not going at Finland either way. It's snowy and heavily forested with a military force that is trained to fight a defensive war in those conditions. Plus, Finland would most likely receive similar support from NATO to what Ukraine is getting.

    The Russians for all their talk and threats against countries outside of Ukraine, have nothing to back it up. Right now it's not looking likely that they can ever take the whole of Ukraine. They've lost in the north of the country, admitted defeat. That's no kind of force which could prosecute a wider war. All they can do is throw conscripts at it and try to wind them up with Nazi talk, but all they'll be good for is eventually being used as sandbags. The only thing I'd say to Finland is that they've been too accepting of Russian refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭thomil


    Probably because size does matter, certainly in this instance. Modern stealth aircraft only offer passive stealth, meaning they either absorb or scatter incoming radar signals in many different directions in order to minimise the return signal received by the offending radar set. However, a certain fraction of any signal will still be returned, reduced to below the threshold at which the signal processing systems in the radar in question filter the return out as noise. The larger the aircraft, the larger this unavoidable return will be, until it reaches a point where this return is above the noise threshold and is accepted as a valid target. Even the largest stealth aircraft currently in service, the American B-2 Spirit, is not particularly large when you look at the airframe from anywhere but directly above or below and I have my doubts that a C-130 or even a C-295 size stealth transport would be feasible, as cool as it would be.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think Putin was ever going to get control of the narrative. It wasn't Gary Glitter's lack of media skills which scuppered his chances of recovering from the child porn charges. It was that some acts are just too heinous to defend, and this is also true with Putin and his quest to brutally subjugate Ukraine. It's much easier to win a P.R. war when you are so clearly on the right side of history, as Zelenskyy and Ukraine are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I think that it is important that Ukraine retains the moral high ground and not commit war crimes despite the anger that is felt at what is happening. Currently they are admired for their bravery, defiance, stubbornness, patriotism, important that they retain that admiration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭threeball


    Right now Russia haven't a notion of attacking Finland. They're creaking under the strain as it is. And Finland would hit them on home soil where it hurt. You'd also guarantee that Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia as well as Sweden all get involved as it be all too close for comfort. When that happens Poland would break ranks too as Russia can't fight that war without Kaliningrad.

    So they'd go from fighting one country to 6 in the blink of an eye. With fronts a thousand km apart. I think it would then inconceivable the Belarussians would seize the day and take their opportunity to overthrow Lukashenko. It would be a bigger disaster than operation barbarossa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not sure, Siberia was the word used, I was thinking then it was the deal America made with Russia way back in 1867. Besides Norway is in NATO, and so far at any rate, Putin has studiously avoided stepping on any NATO toes. But my friend did mention that after Ukraine was 100% under Russian control, they would recover all of the "traitorous" states who left, and punish them. And after that was done, then they would turn their attention to the mistake that was made in Siberia. As English is not my friends first language, I would put it down to that. But with such a grandiose plan, maybe all of that part of the world is scheduled to be "absorbed" into a greater Russia??? I mean my friend religiously believes that this will happen, and is thanking God for giving them the best President in the world, ever. And this person is university educated, with a degree, and as far as I know, a masters. So where do you go from there? Only conclusion I can come to is that any contacts between Russians and foreigners are monitored, and that is what my friend is afraid of but I'm only guessing here. But definitely in the past, all contact with foreigners was actively monitored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Er, have you seen the size of a B-2 bomber, or the new replacement, the B-21 (I don't expect you to have seen this one :-)) with a rumoured 66m wingspan? The B-2 bomber is reputed to have a frontal radar cross secton one tenth that of an insect.

    By comparrison, A KC-130 has a 40.4m wingspan, which interestingly, is about the same as the RQ-180 stealth drone.

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    Passive stealth may be making way for active stealth. It seems likely that the AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda ECM system on F-35s may incorporate active radar jamming by suppression of return signals, in the same way noise cancelling headphones generate an inverted phase waveform of an acoustic signal to suppress it.

    The airframe of the French Rafale is not particularly stealthy in form and it lacks the surface absorption coatings as well, however it has a highly classified Spectra ECM suite that is speculated to use this method to reduce the planes effective radar cross-section substantially:

    "To compensate, the Rafale boasts an advanced Spectra electronic warfare system that supposedly can reduce the Rafale’s cross-section several times over—it is rumored by reflecting back signals using ‘active canceling.’" https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/just-how-stealthy-are-frances-rafales-f42s-66727

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    So there would very likely be no problem making an airframe large enough to have a KC-130 type role but that was also very stealthy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




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