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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The German President and that delegation could be a security risk to Zelensky.


    Could you guarantee that locations, meeting places etc would not be sent to their friends in Moscow before they even left Berlin.


    The German President has been very open about his pro Russia position and his pride in Germany remaining aloof of helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Not much gets past those Ukrainians.

    "The Ukrainian Embassy in Ireland has called for a ban on the "Z" symbol, Ukraine's ambassador to Ireland after a pro-Russian rally in Dublin this weekend called for a ban on the "Z" symbol associated with support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

    Sharing the video of the action on Twitter, the Ukrainian Embassy in Ireland called it disgusting that Russians living in Ireland show their complete disrespect for the country of residence and the Irish who oppose Russia's war in Ukraine.

    "Z," a symbol of murder and atrocities, must be banned by law in every democratic state," the embassy said in a statement."



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I haven't listened to many of them but any I have listened to seem pretty genuine; and I'm not really sure what Ukraine gains from fabricating them.

    Forget whether they're real or not for a moment, they are manna from heaven to the Ukrainians. Huge propaganda points. I mean you're willing to paint them as seeming genuine out of the gate. Why? Can you speak Russian to a level of fluency to make such a call, or are they simply reinforcing what you already want to believe?

    We've all picked a side. Myself included and it's Ukrainian lest any of the usual mouth foamers looking for reds under the bed are wondering. However both sides, including mine will use all the advantage they can. If they picked up a phonecall where a Russian wife or mother who saw Western media and was dubious about the war and was asking her son about it and he was telling her they weren't raping and murdering civilian Ukrainians(even if he was only saying this to placate his wife/mother) do you think they'd be as quick to release that? Of course not.

    From reading reports from Ukrainian people in previously Russian held towns at least in some cases there seems to be some Russian troops who are acting relatively OK and another bunch who are animals. I suspect - and we'll find out when it's over - that the OK ones where they exist are the professional troops, the animals the conscripts and regional cannon fodder.

    Historically Russian troops are well known for being looters and rapists. WW2 showed us that and it certainly gets left out of Soviet/Russian history of that conflict. The famous pic of hoisting the Soviet flag over the Reichstag where the Soviets airbrushed(they had lots of practice with Stalin) looted watches off the wrist of the guy propping up the flag waver.

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    Pretty understandable too given how the nazis treated Russians in their invasion. US, French and Brits were involved too, but more on the looting rather than the raping mass murder front. A couple of rellies of mine were in Germany in the run up and the aftermath of Germany's surrender in WW2 and they told me the Russians were hated by the locals and for good reason. There were horrible events like German mothers dragging themselves and their little kids into rivers to drown themselves to get away from them. Unfúcking real. Though apparently once it was over the Soviets were notable for being kind to German children, bringing them food. The French were distrusted even hated the most apparently, the British and Americans most liked. One who had some minor dealings with Soviet troops told me their officers were usually well educated men, but their ordinary soldiers were mostly barely literate farmboys from the hinterlands with a lot of scarily young troops in tow.

    So it's not as if the Russians don't have previous in this kinda horror. They've been revved up over the last ten years by putin's propaganda machine and it seems in the very early days judging by how they were generally dealing with Ukrainians they were told they'd be welcomed. That didn't last long, so they've believed the first lie and the second was made clear by Ukrainian resistance and effective resistance at that. So Russian troops going full on evil wouldn't and doesn't surprise me.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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    Moldova as a whole is,but not the breakway region where the russian are are at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's not close to clear. I hate to break it to you but putin's forces have already been stopped. He didn't take Kyiv when clearly he wanted to. He didn't install a puppet in Kyiv when clearly he wanted to. His forces have been shown to be third rate only gaining ground by virtue of sheer numbers and even then have been repelled on a few fronts and by an army dwarfed by his. He's taken the Donbas areas where pro Russian support is strongest, he's still trying to take Mariupol, which has been hammered for weeks and though it's likely a done deal they're still holding out. Finland and Sweden are seriously eyeing up NATO membership. Germany is rearming. Sanctions against Russia are ongoing and though the gas "problem" is still in play the nations involved are all looking to pivot away from any reliance on Russia. His currency is in freefall, propped up temporarily by banking sleight of hand, his airline industry is a dead man walking, his economy is going backwards, his braindrain and demographic fall gains pace, him and his country are facing war crimes verdicts and they've pretty much no friends in the West and the West will never trust his nation while he lives. And you really think he's going to try for Georgia and Moldova, never mind the Baltic states which are members of NATO?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Who do you think funds her political adventures he's called Vladimir



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    The Ukrainians will fight to the death in the east and the south.

    Biggest problem is logistics and getting them the weapons and munitions they need.

    Could the EU not set up a "humanitarian enclave" in the west of Ukraine and serendipitously use this as a pretext get arms to east Ukraine quicker.

    It would maybe get more medical supplies to those who remain in west Ukraine

    Mad thought I know, but Mad Vlad is clearly getting ready to overwhelm the east and south without concerns about how much men and weapons he will lose.


    He doesn't give a flying fook about his army or his population as the sanctions won't affect him directly,

    It will effect his people but then again he doesn't really care what they think

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    What I still don't understand about Russian tactics from the get go is:

    A) why drive for Kyiv when he could have gone for the "independent states" and likely taken them far more easily and likely gotten far more away with it, like he did with Crimea.

    B) why didn't his strategists not go straight for infrastructure from the start? The American MO is gain air superiority(the seeming lack of Russian airpower is very weird on its own), hit every military target you can find and blast it to rubble, take out phonelines, power, water and comms. Only then send in boots and tracks on the ground, knowing your enemy is now nearly completely bilnd, deaf and dumb. Costs more to rebuild yes, but your guys get the contracts for that and it risks fewer flag draped coffins and a speedier end to the war/invasion.

    I mean they rolled up to the outskirts of Kyiv and nearly surrounded it, but the power was on, people were able to get on the interne and get news out. He has done all of that to Mariupol, but even there he ramped up to it. Just puzzling to me.

    The only explanations I can come up with is they genuinely thought theyd be welcomed or get far less resistance so never allowed for this course of action and/or they realised they simply couldn't afford to blast the infrastructure too much as they couldn't afford to rebuild and fix it and/or they simply couldn't prosecute that kind of a war, or a bit from one, a bit from the other.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The only explanations I can come up with is they genuinely thought theyd be welcomed or get far less resistance so never allowed for this course of action and/or they realised they simply couldn't afford to blast the infrastructure too much as they couldn't afford to rebuild and fix it and/or they simply couldn't prosecute that kind of a war, or a bit from one, a bit from the other.

    This seems the most likely explanation to me. Its not entirely without merit given the success of their Crimea and Donbass operations in 2014. But it does ultimately seem to be an element of self-delusion about a rickety government falling quickly. Probably expected Zelensky to flee at the first opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Russian missile launchers heading to Finland's border


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    This is standard Russian infowars, they release videos of troop movements, and then people share them. Now they're doing it because Finland is joining Nato.

    A lot of it is just scare tactics, any bigger buildup won't go unnoticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Reading some discussion on this early on in the invasion and Russia was convinced that Ukraine was not a 'real' or unified country, more a bunch of competing tribes and rival clans, which would fall apart at the seams as soon as the Russian army entered the country (you often heard this viewpoint expressed on those ghastly discussion programmes on state TV). They were quite shocked then to see Ukrainians rallying around the flag and getting behind Zelensky,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember the Posters telling us how Badly dived the whole of Ukraine was and how all of the east of the country wanted to rejoin Russia and the west wanted to join the EU,

    And yet no one in Ukraine seems to support the Russian liberation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    The only thing that makes sense is that they fell for their own bullshit and really thought all they had to do was turn up on the pitch to collect the three points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    A two-front war...bound to work. He can't lose.

    😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,829 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I reckon the Russians believed that they would go in with a pinprick and the Ukranians would just fold. They never thought or even considered that nearly every Tom Dick and Harry would get a weapon and fight back, or act as ad hoc intel to suppport the country's defence. And once the die was cast, the Russians appeared to be at a loss as to what to do next.

    I'd even question if even half of the Russian Army even knows what the end game is here, or even what the whole show was about in the first place, and that includes higher ranks.

    It's funny, before this malarkey kicked off I would have credited Putin with more shrewdness than he appears to possess. It's been a remarkable embarrassment to entire county.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin may have thought his forces would be welcomed or that, at a push, resistance would quickly fall apart. It has long been speculated that Putin has grown detached from reality for various possible reasons like simple isolation or he's dying and has desperate need to be remembered as a great leader or to buoy flagging approval ratings. In a sense, the real reason doesn't matter because any reason to invade a country and indiscriminately slaughter, and loot and rape, and threaten loads of other countries while you're at it, is inherently invalid.

    It was/is one man's war, and that man wanted Zelenskyy's head on a plate - probably literally.

    Putin's commanders were just carrying out the objectives that Putin wanted to attain and maybe hoping to get the right side of a multitude of variables that didn't end up going their way. These include, but are not limited to, hoping the West's response would be confused, hoping their own troops would be motivated, hoping to knock out vital Ukrainian military infrastructure quickly, hoping their own army wasn't subject to decades of endemic corruption and poor maintenance.

    I'm sure there's a good reason why there haven't been more Russian planes in the skies of Ukraine. After all, if they could get them up there, they would be up there. Stingers obviously play their part, but I would say there is more to the story that we'll only learn in retrospect.

    Ukraine can count itself unfortunate that it has been invaded by a large army, but in that unfortunateness, there is at least a lesser good fortune that this army is mostly incompetent. It at least gives more hope than if the reverse were true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Has there been any Russian POW's? How are they being treated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe but the Russians still have large forces to deploy if they wish and very destructive munitions. Not a done deal at all. Best thing going for Ukraine though must be a lack of commitment from many ordinary Russian servicemen. They are obviously trained to take orders but it must be patently clear to them at the same time that there's little point in dying for some ill thought out invasion of a close neighbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, a few thousand I believe. Treated well I gather, no suggestion of wrongdoing or breaches of the Geneva Convention (if there were, the Kremlin press and the legions of Putin fanboys on social media would be shrieking it from the rooftops).





  • If Putin left his war a few months he would probably have had an ally in France.

    I don't think she'll make it in the current climate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭Homelander


    You have to wonder if Putin is simply willfully taking another extraordinary gamble yet again with another big offensive in the east of the country, knowing this could get even worse, or if he genuinely believes Ukraine is on the brink of defeat.

    The loss rates are already catastrophic. Oryx says Russia has lost almost 500 tanks, and we can safely assume a lot more lost that haven't been documented. That has to be a huge percentage of their actual "real" tank force - as in their overall tank force, not just exactly what was assembled for operations in Ukraine.

    Let's say they had 3 thousand combat-ready tanks in actual decent shape back in February.....they realistically have probably lost 6-700 of them at least in two months and made pretty negligible gains.

    It seems to me Putin is simply embarrassed and humiliated and wants to just punish Ukraine for resisting and daring to destroy his grand vision of conquest. I don't see how it could even be about legacy at this point given he will obviously know history books will inevitably record it as the time Russia was humiliated by its comparatively tiny neighbour and transformed itself into a total pariah state. That is literally the legacy he will leave behind and it's already cemented no matter what happens next. It can only get worse for him, not better, going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Brilliant. What's the best use to make of this guy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Apart from all that, things are good with him!🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If only. Unfortunately there are some rat bags:

    "The SBU continues to expose traitors and collaborators throughout UkraineOne

    of the main tasks set before its agents by the Russian special services is the collection of data on the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Theroboron.

    The SBU actively opposes this, and only in recent days we have the following results:

    🔹In Mykolaiv region:

    a local resident was detained, who provided the occupiers with intelligence on the deployment of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and corrected missile attacks.

    🔹In Donetsk region:

    SBU detained three more collaborators. All of them handed over to the enemy the positions of Ukrainian troops, the location of checkpoints, etc.

    🔹In Luhansk region:

    SBU officers eliminated the activities of the russian agency network, which collected and transmitted to the Russian curator information about the location of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, the State Border Guard Service.

    🔹In Zaporizhzhya region:

    SBU special forces detained a resident of the region who was adjusting enemy artillery to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    All agents and collaborators were detained. Appropriate work is being done with them."


    On Orcs. This is the Ukrainian military plain speaking about a recently sighted column:

    " Rashn publics released a video of a new column of orcs (meat). Previous rostov region. Welcome to the hell of mrazota 🔥

    Death to enemies🔥"



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