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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    The Russians remind me of the travellers who make challenge videos. They make brutal accusations against each other with no proof in the hope of a confrontation.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yeah it's easy to forget(and rightfully) because of this war that pig putin is prosecuting Ukraine had more issues than Time's back catalogue. The economy, the corruption, the media freedoms, never mind the ongoing civil war and yep the not exactly Right On liberal trend in some of Ukraine's politics were sticking points to say the least for being brought into the EU. NATO for all of putin's ballsology was on the long finger too.

    Now to be fair and accurate to Ukraine, they were changing and looking for positive changes since Maidan and were making progress on all fronts. And again this is the question I put to putinbots on Twitter: if he's out to denazify Ukraine, why didn't he do it when there were far more "nazis" in power in Ukraine, rather than now when they can't get elected? Literally. It shuts them right the fúck up. Or they go off on one about trump, q-anon, vaccines make you magnetic, adrenochrome and Biden's a child molester. And the Moon landings were a hoax. 911 was in inside job. You get the picture. Class A fúcking morons.

    I said this very early on in this thread: horrific though this invasion of pricks is and after the hard grieving the Ukrianian people will suffer, this will be the making of Ukraine and Ukrainians. It'll help Europe too. The eyes of the world are on them and behind them and that change the Ukrainian people want will be supported and anyone who tries to dial them back, or any "old ways" of bullshít will be pointed out. That "chess master" putin has lost. They will Never look to the east again. Never look to Moscow again. By his imperial notions he's made them more independent than ever. Peter the Great? More like putin the Twat.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    They can, have and still are, but to play the EU merri-go round and be "a good member" you need consensus across the board, which is slow and full of red-tape....

    The US & UK have been doing stuff for years with the Ukrainian military, but the UK took the first public step of arming them with defensive weapons in preparation for the invasion... other Baltic states followed suit, much to the annoyance of Germany and France who has concluded an invasion wouldn't happen at the time..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly



    Russia 1 now with English banners with propaganda....

    bear in mind they have been openly discussing about destroying Ukraine and whitewash all Russian activities worldwide.





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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Best one i heard today was a troll that claims its because of russophobia,and Ukraine triggered it.

    I wonder why the world hates Putin and Russia too so much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    I posted that Gaddafi video.

    If you check the posts in the video a few posts in a person gives a time link to what was said and when in the video.

    Sorry can't delete the first video for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,503 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Has their been any state in the last 100 years which murdered its own citizens as a publicity stunt? I've heard of faked massacres but an actual atrocity would be off the scale (how on earth could they manage it without the surviving citizens of Bucha being aware it had happened?).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia would by the first one to spring to mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly



    Mauripol is going to be off the charts in comparison



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,502 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    It's a discussion board. For discussing things.

    Twitter is literally designed for people who can't be arsed reading more than a few words at a time; I suggest you try there if you can't follow more than a few sentences at a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @briany - My personal belief is that if either a NATO force, or even a joint European one, moved into the west of Ukraine, it would not instantly intensify proceedings to a nuclear level, nor ever. Not by simple fact of such a force setting foot inside Ukraine, anyway. 


    Exactly. I couldn't agree with you more.

    But try telling that to the handful of lily-livered cowards on here who care only for their own ass.

    One poster (without mentioning names but he's a self-professed expert on EVERYTHING) harps on about the millions of children who would be vapourised in a nuclear confrontation.

    Putin already knows the West are arming Ukraine to the teeth. Putting boots on the ground in Ukraine is no different - it's still not directly attacking Russian cities or land. Hell, you are simply helping a country defend itself from an invasion, and to prevent further atrocities.

    If Putin is crazy enough to instigate nuclear confrontation then he's going to do it with or without intervention on the ground in Ukraine. And he - or when he's gone the next leader - will always hold the nuclear sword of damocles over the rest of the world. But does that mean we have to humour him and give him free reign to butcher thousands of children and civilians, and probably do it again in the near future. What's to stop him doing a full Hitler and invading the rest of the Baltic states and even other countries. If it gets to that stage we will HAVE to get involved, so he needs to be shown NOW that the civilised world has red lines that HE cant cross.

    If you allow a despot such as Putin - who is starting to tread the exact same line as Hitler - to blackmail and bluff his way to cause inaction by the West, then the chances are he will go on to cannibalize a whole chunk of the Baltics, and Europe. Maybe not now but certainly in the future.

    It makes my blood boil that certain weasels on Boards smugly come out with their long-winded prose as to why we cant do anything because of nuclear intimidation. I don't care whether it's a single child or 5,000, action has to be taken when ANY terrified child has such despicable things done to them and is then murdered. We don't allow it outside of war and there's absolutely no reason to allow it within war. I don't know how people can sleep at night when they say it's alright for this abuse to continue. No life is above your own.

    Better to die a hero and defender of decency and justice, than a coward without a heart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Russia 1999 blew up a number of apartment blocks, killed 300+ and injured over 1000 as a false flag to launch the 1st Chechen war. Putin was Prime Minister at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,429 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Oh they'll be through there with their cremation machines . That is in no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    It's images like this which make me want to go fight. What we do to each other is horrific, but what has that young child seen in his short life.

    Makes me sad 😢

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Again; it's a discussion. What I personally find disturbing is that people here are calling for the execution of all Russian soldiers without a single shred of awareness about the consequences to Ukraine or the Ukrainian people if they were to follow through on that particular gem of a suggestion.

    People like you and others here can only seem to think about the children who have already been violated or killed; you can't seem to even comprehend the fact that mistreating Russian prisoners is only going to increase the chance of further atrocities against children and civilians. Let alone Ukrainian military.

    And I posted a video and let people draw their own conclusions; every post after that hasn't even been about the video itself: it has been about people's reaction to the video and the statements they have made about such behaviour. Those statements and discussions are all perfectly valid whether or not you agree that that video is fake or not.

    In any case none of it matters because you and others here don't even want to address any of the points made or even attempt to have a discussion; you just keep repeating the same emotive nonsense. So I won't bother engaging on the topic in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Things getting nasty in the east of Ukraine.


    This one could go on for a while with the same atrocities we’ve seen the last few days.


    Not good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Things getting nasty in the east of Ukraine.


    This one could go on for a while with the same atrocities we’ve seen the last few days.


    Not good.



  • Posts: 192 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sanctions, yes, I agree we should be willing to go far on those and I think many are, but plenty aren't too. You're already seeing political anger about energy prices, so I would wonder if there's a willingness to hold the line at all. I'm not necessarily talking about Ireland, but there are certainly some angrier electorates around that aren't showing that much appetite for solidarity beyond flag waving.

    I am seeing Ireland taking a long time to figure out what to do with that alumina plant for example. We probably should be moving on that, but we haven't done so far and it could have big impact, but it might also mean a loss of jobs in the midwest which will have inevitable political blowback.

    Will the state step in there and prop up or even potentially nationalise what is already a very fading industry?

    There are a loads of situations like that where far away issues will have to be faced close to home and suddenly it's not just on the TV. That's where I would be concerned about limitations of sanctions.

    You also have to wonder about how big an impact those sanctions are really having if Russia just side steps them through China and India etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I don't think there's anything fundamentally stopping individual EU members from sending whatever they want to Ukraine.

    Estonia for example has just sent artillery (https://mil.in.ua/en/news/officially-estonia-has-sent-122-mm-howitzers-to-ukraine/); which nobody else has been willing to send.

    And Chechia has reportedly sent tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (https://www.todayonline.com/world/czech-republic-sends-tanks-infantry-fighting-vehicles-ukraine-source-1865126).

    I think the only tricky part is that certain military hardware would have been purchased from some third party; and often purchase agreements contain clauses which prevent further export without the seller's consent. So for e.g. Germany had to approve sending certain items from Estonia and Chechia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,165 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    mistreating Russian prisoners is only going to increase the chance of further atrocities against children and civilians

    Did you miss the part where they've been doing this since they started attacking Ukraine??? They don't need any encouragement or reason, it's part of their mission



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    You really don't see that you provoked such comments and discussion with your unconfirmed video? Why did you do that? Are you a WUM?

    you can't seem to even comprehend the fact that mistreating Russian prisoners is only going to increase the chance of further atrocities against children and civilians.

    I can easily comprehend things, only I don't want to establish your false claim that Ukrainians mistreat Russian prisoners, what you just did in this sentence and at the same time accused Ukrainians of further consequences of your false claim. You have no proof of it.

    And you are right. I don't want to address your false claims because I don't want to confirm them as true by discussing them.

    Posting videos from unreliable sources is not helping and I really start thinking that you are doing it intentionally....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Hence why I said "increase the chance of further atrocities".

    Jesus wept; at least take a second to try and understand what it is you're replying to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I couldn't give a flying **** if you think I'm doing anything intentionally or not quite honestly. But if you want to suggest I'm pro-Putin or support Russia you can go **** yourself.

    I posted a video to discuss the potential consequences of Russia's actions in Bucha on the ground; and to just share a video that was being circulated about supposed mistreatment of Russian prisoners.

    If the topic of the treatment of Russian prisoners isn't appropriate for a discussion thread about the Russian invasion of Ukriane then what the **** is this thread for? So you can cry about the Polish government some more? Are we only allowed to post as long as the post clearly shows "UKRAINE AND UKRAINIANS ALWAYS GOOD" and "RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS ALWAYS BAD" without any room for any kind of discussion on any topic whatsoever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,165 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Jaysus the whataboutery in you is strong - exactly how much worse can it get? Is not raping young girls while the mother is made to watch not the lowest form of depravity for you. Care to explain why the Russians would stop now with what they have been doing since the start?

    How much are you getting paid to spread your Russian propaganda or is it all in the name of the motherland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    No, just discuss things, which happened. This war is complicated enough without your made up stories....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭dasdog




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