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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Anything that they can recover, and repair / cannibalize they will. These ate expensive machines, and spare parts may not be readily available for them, especially if these parts are manufactured in the west now that sanctions are in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin ( hereafter called "The Emperor" ) was repeatedly told by his loyal advisors that indeed he was right in his thinking that it was really him they wanted to rule over them in the breakaway province, which has been hijacked in an illegal election. In fact they were waiting with flowers and vodka to welcome his army, and all was going according to plan with the new Government waiting to step in, as soon as the foreign imposed Govt fled. And of course your Majesty, should there be any foreign inspired resistance, no worries, you have one of the most up to date and best equipped military's in the whole world. There devotion to you is 100%.They are of course willing to die for you and the Motherland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And this is why now of all times, Ukrainians need to resist the urge to retaliate. Revenge is a dish best served cold......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    I cant believe that a *discreet* bounty of 100 million or so hasn't been offered to a few professional mercenaries for the head of Putin.

    I cant believe that Nato and the US will not intervene when the most horrific war crimes are being committed on a daily basis.

    I cant believe that an entire country with 40 million people can be allowed to be systematically destroyed.

    I cant believe that the free world will not stand up and confront the threat of nuclear retaliation for any interference.

    I cant believe there are those concerned only for their own skin because of the nuclear threat, so the raping and murder of little girls continues.

    I cant believe that a solitary man can be allowed to do exactly as he pleases, for as long as he pleases, and to whom he pleases.

    I cant believe that the human race stands by and watches all of this.

    I believe if a God exists then mankind will pay the ultimate price for its disgrace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I doubt it's possible for Putin to ever get what he deserves. All indications seem to point to him being quite sick and that it's possibly cancer. The haste of this cluster f*** could be explained by someone on limited time wanting to leave a mark on history and to leave Russia in a position he feels it desperately needs to be in but which he fears his successors wouldn't have the balls to achieve.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    He doesn't do it to whom he pleases, he preys on the vulnerable, you won't see him invaded his hated America any time soon, instead he murders his "cousins", he is really just a coward.


    Also I believe all these things because they have been happening somewhere in the world since the dawn of civilisation but that doesn't make it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The anti ship missile aspect of the recently damaged Russian ship is interesting.

    Here is the range plotted on Google maps. The easternmost is from mariupol. This makes the black sea v dangerous for Russia. Ukraine must stop Russia from taking this corridor.

    download_20220404_104453.jpg


    It also highlights the importance of this weaponry. It is vital that Ukraine is supplied and resupplied.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If it ever kicked off with nato, watch/read up on the "7 days to the Rhine" plan. Now today we know Russia has no hope of achieving this based on the abysmal performance in Ukraine. What it does tell us, however, is that they did not expect things to go nuclear right away. In fact they thought they could go as far as France in the following week without it going nuclear.

    I believe this exposes the thinking. Putin is a relic of this era and I suspect he believes he could have poked nato to test it. I think if he succeeded in Ukraine within a couple of days then that would have been his next step.


    It's possible that zelenskys decision to reject the US offer of a middle of the night ride out of Ukraine at the start has helped avoid a wider war.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    It's not ships that are the problem; I don't believe Ukraine have once asked for anti-ship missiles. Russia haven't even attempted an amphibious landing and we're in the 2nd month already; you have to imagine every landing position is heavily mined and fortified at this stage.

    They need air defences and aircraft; neither of which the West seems to be willing to provide. They have asked for tanks although I have no idea why; tank crews require lots of training to be effective and tanks aren't exactly the best idea without proper air support.

    Also I haven't seen any reputable source on the ship being damaged. Remember they also claimed to have sank a different ship earlier in the war which has since been proven false.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    download_20220404_104501.jpg

    What can a bumbling "power" like Russia now achieve ?

    No hope of a land invasion in Europe, thanks Ukraine.

    Above image shows anti ship missile ranges if deployed around the north and baltic seas. No hope of getting a navy through that if NATO and Russia is at war.

    I plotted those ranges for the fun of it.

    It exposed something. See the south west coast of Ireland.....

    There is something Russia could actually achieve even with their rag tag army. They could use their Arctic ports to avoid any anti ship missiles. Do more "exercises". Turn direction in the middle of the night and land unopposed in the south west...

    download_20220404_104510.jpg

    Within a very short space of time they would hold easily defensible mountain positions. It's a clear run to shannon, limerick, athlone, the curragh. At this point the tiny army we do have has been nullified.

    About the best we could hope for is a guerilla war fed from northern Ireland via the British. Based on events in Ukraine the Russians would likely decimate the population.

    What's in it for Russia? It's the absolute best bang for their buck use of their forces right now. Believe it or not. It would change the game and turn tables on the United States, Britain and Europe. There is quite alot to gain for them....



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    At the very least I would be running irish army exercises in that area and naval patrols.

    All sounds a bit mad on the face of it. Unfortunately it's not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    You're off your head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well they did...

    "KIEV (RIA Novosti): The Ukrainian authorities have asked the United States to provide anti-ship missiles “Harpoon”, Ukrainian edition of ZN.UA reported on Monday."

    "To bolster its defenses against invading Russian forces, Ukraine is asking the Biden administration for armed drones, anti-ship missiles, “off-the-shelf” electronic jamming equipment and surface-to-air missiles that can strike aircraft at a higher altitude, according to four sources with knowledge of the request.'"

    "According to another source, Ukraine has been asking for lethal aid on the Black Sea, and the UK has "a list of what they require and we try and meet it where we can. The PM is committed to helping Ukraine defend itself and he will support that need.”

    Unlike other allies who have been prudent in sending additional aid until a provocation comes from Russia, Johnson disagrees. According to a senior government source, "Boris says we don't need another trigger... He [Putin] has already crossed the line ... Whatever Zelensky asks for he will get if we have it.

    Props to Boris Johnson! The contrast with Germany couldn't be greater.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Unopposed? Have you any idea how many tractors there are in that 'safe' zone? have you learned nothing from this conflict?


    ;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Predictably the Russians are denying the reports of mass killings and genocide in Bucha and elsewhere.

    In a number of online statements the Russian authorities claim "no residents suffered from any violent action" And allegedly "Russian servicemen distributed 452 t of humanitarian aid to civilians"

    And if those lies weren't enough this additional bit is the real clincher

    After all, we’re not members of the ICC,” the state-run TASS news agency quoted Peskov, the Kremlin Press Secretary as saying.

    In other news Anonymous are stating that they have just published the name, rank, and other details of 120,000 Russian servicemen obtained from a recent hack of Russian communications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Eh; I'm not sure I consider Russian state-controlled media as a reliable source. But sure; they could be useful if Ukraine had them and should be provided as a longer term deterrent.

    However my point remains: they badly need (and have repeatedly asked for publicly) more aircraft and/or anti-air capability.

    As for Boris Johnson I agree; he has been good at providing assistance including different weapon types which required special training. Something NATO and the US in particular should wake up and also start doing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Being defenceless is more akin to one being off their head. The nature of the Russia we are dealing with is also off its head:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,104 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    CNN isn't a Russian state media outlet.

    "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called for more weapons and for Europe to close its sea ports to Russia in an address to the Norwegian parliament on Wednesday.  

    Zelensky asked for anti-ship missiles, Harpoon rockets, anti-air missile systems and anti-tank guns." https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-30-22/h_f6d3e78e06b3946f22b8d26ccc3f562e



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    You literally copy-pasted a Russian state media outlet's article to support your post; but yes I can see now that Zelenskyy asked for anti-ship missiles when he spoke to the Norwegian Parliament on March 30th. And again; my point remains that they need anti-air much more than they need anti-ship capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Excellent article in the WSJ drawing on the similarities of the war in Chechnya and the current situation in Ukraine:-

    Likely stuck behind a pay wall for many so I've quoted a few paragraphs which stand out to me:-

    "The brutality of Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine carries terrible echoes of Russia’s war in Chechnya. Boris Yeltsin launched that conflict in 1994 and paused it in 1996; Mr. Putin prosecuted its second phase from 1999 through 2009. By 1996, as many as 50,000 people had already lost their lives in a republic of little more than one million. A large and once prosperous city lay in ruins. Chechnya was devastated, wounded, radicalized—and has never recovered from the trauma. In today’s Mariupol and Kharkiv, mainly Russian-speaking Ukrainian cities destroyed by Russian power, we see the ghosts of that conflict and seem condemned to relearn its lessons."


    "The circumstances are far from identical. Chechnya is small and was always recognized as being part of Russia, even when the rebellious Chechen leader, Dzhokhar Dudayev, declared its independence from Moscow in 1991. Ukraine, on the other hand, has been a functioning, peaceful sovereign state for 30 years. It could be faulted for corruption and poor governance, but it posed no threat except to Mr. Putin’s fantasies of history."


    "Nonetheless, Russia entered both wars with similar assumptions. Mr. Putin’s inner circle, we are told, believed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government would be toppled in three days. In 1994, Yeltsin’s defense minister Pavel Grachev boasted that Chechnya could be captured “in two hours with one parachute regiment.” In both places, Plan A failed, and the Russian government’s Plan B was total and indiscriminate warfare"


    "Russia never paid a price for its total war in Chechnya. Western leaders gave priority to a good relationship with Moscow over their commitment to human rights. In Moscow in 1996, Bill Clinton bizarrely compared Yeltsin’s war for Chechnya to the U.S. Civil War, citing “the proposition that Abraham Lincoln gave his life for, that no state had a right to withdraw from our Union.” In 2000, Tony Blair’s spokesman described Mr. Putin’s war as one to put down “a terrorist insurrection.”


    "If a smaller country, one without a UN Security Council veto, had prosecuted such a brutal war, its leaders would surely have been forced to stand trial in The Hague, as Bosnia’s war criminals did. But Moscow got a pass, and its way of war—evidenced not only in Chechnya and Ukraine but in the civilian neighborhoods of Aleppo that the Russian air force razed in 2016—has remained remarkably consistent"


    "The tactics likely originate in a kind of false memory of the Red Army’s victory over Adolf Hitler in 1945, through total warfare, the pulverization of Berlin and the loss of millions of lives. For a generation of ordinary Russians, the unspeakable losses of that war were an argument for peace at all costs. But the Russian elite—Mr. Putin most recently—instead drew the lesson that the end justified the apocalyptic means."

    And finally:-

    "Chechnya’s lessons for Ukraine are grim. They tell us that the Russian leadership is likely prepared to pay a huge human toll to attain impossible objectives. A full Russian occupation of a country of 40 million people is simply unachievable, and Ukrainian resistance will surely prevail in the end. But as one Ukrainian officer reportedly told a Russian journalist, Ukraine’s tragedy is that “they measure time in days and weeks, and we do so in human lives.”

    And a Tweet from the author who wrote the piece just before the news coming from Bucha:-




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    These horror stories about Russian atrocities keep on coming.


    Oh for a world where the pricks didn't have nuclear weapons...

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Sadly, there will be many more minutes of silence required going forward for the inevitable further deaths.

    RIP



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I can't believe you still can't grasp what happens to this world if that prick in the Kremlin fires nuclear weapons. That's the only reason he can hold the world to ransom, but sadly and tragically it's a bloody valid one and no amount of craw thumping emotionals can change that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Sadly, I feel this Tweet will turn out to be correct (though I would hope it is way off the mark) that Mariupol and Izyum could be on par or worse than what we have seen in Bucha:-




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    However my point remains: they badly need (and have repeatedly asked for publicly) more aircraft and/or anti-air capability.

    Anti-air capability they may get, aircraft they won't as it leads naturally to a Russian claim that NATO is directly involved. That's a path that is being avoided. Putin in his obsession with Ukraine has at least spotted where the limits are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Theie average AvtoVAZ may cost more than our average Audi, Mercedes or BMW soon enough?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    Even with this new phase you'd wonder whether the Russians can carry it out effectively without just bombing the hell out of places.



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