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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'm still waiting for them to go in with the goddamn napalm.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Kerry Group...

    We're not making any money in Russia, but if we do we'll donate it to Ukraine


    If you're not making money then why are you there and money is no use to the dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Please link.

    And you can put me on ignore either...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    That are real concerns. Today is election in Hungary. Orban doesn't want Hungarians to pay for sanctions, so won't introduce them and supports Russia in that way. And his ratings rocketed.

    The same is in France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭rogber


    This is the sad truth. Europe and the USA are offerig nothing new, the sanctions according to an in depth report from an expert on The Economist are having f*ck-all effect within Russia now once those initial few days of panic passed, oil and gas money is still flowing in from Europe, and most people's interest has returned to property, fuel, football, Netflix, the usual stuff. The Russians will get their new territories, Ukraine will see 20, 50, 100 thousand civilians murdered, and the West will keep dealing with Russia while making empty statement about finding alternatives in the medium term and saying Putin should be in the Hague while doing nothing about it. As always, money matters more than principles and human life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I know you won't be offended that I disagree. I suspect the people that matter are becoming more engaged. The opinions of the "soap watchers" never mattered anyway as they would be unlikely to protest or lobby.

    The Western world may now realise how easy it might be to put an end to Russia's aggression. There must be a lot going on behind the scenes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,449 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They're all over Youtube too. A bit of a strange disconnect too - the same Putin supporting scum probably secretly approve of the murder of Ukrainian civilians, so why even go to the trouble of denying it? It would be more honest to be acting as a cheerleader on social media for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Russians have kidnapped and are holding 11 mayors.

    and...


    The US enacted laws forbidding the targeting of foreign leaders and the use of assassination as a foreign policy tool. I think Biden should try to have these restrictions overturned, as just the attempt would send a much needed message, though part of me thinks Putin doesn't do messages, only concrete actions. To him, everyone is week and can be rolled over, until they prove otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    The Russian army bought 45,000 bags for bodies and brought mobile crematoria to Ukraine, believes Sergej Sumlenny, an expert on Eastern Europe. In his opinion, genocide and mass executions were planned by Russia. In recent days, mass graves and bodies of civilians with their hands tied have been found in the Kiev region.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    According to the expert, in September 2021, Russia adopted a document on the principles of digging and keeping mass graves during the war. It wrote, inter alia, about digging one grave for every 1,000 bodies in three days. Only 16 soldiers were to be required to dig one grave. Technical drawings are also attached to the document. This regulation entered into force on February 1, 2022, i.e. just a few weeks before the invasion of Ukraine.

    Summarising: it looks like Russia planned a fast victory over Ukrainian army, full occupation of Ukraine and a genocide, including mass executions of Ukrainian civil society leaders, politicians, cultural leaders, clerics, etc. The scale of planned genocide was unseen since WWII.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    You link the propaganda if you so strongly believe I'm spreading it.

    I know you hate PIS , that is your prerogative but please not everything is propaganda of your hated current government in Poland.

    Anyhow the tread is bad enough I'm not going to derail it any further.

    I'm off now see if they need some help moving stuff at the border.

    But I doubt you would do that as it organised by the polish government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Yes South Africa produces more Palladium but they don't export very much. With these materials you do not just pick up a phone and say " Hi Australia, it is Germany here can you send me 2 tonnes of Palladium this week "

    They are paid for in advance of 1 or 2 years for delivery and in the meantime countries have to offset any price fluctuations on the swap markets to guarantee the price. Germany's orders will of been done the same way, they have already bought the goods months in advance so if that get's cancelled everything stops. It is a very complicated business and slightly different to buying stuff on amazon.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I thought that the rule was, that a poster should have attached the link to proof their claim. You seem not to have a credible one.

    And it is sad that the effort of so many volunteers is not credited to them.

    And BTW I don't hate PiS, they are not worth it. I only correct their b*****t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Putin or the higher ups will never face a war crime tribunal (unless there is a coup) but as an act of trying to get themselves back into the international world, they may hand over the lowest level people and give them their script. If they don't adhere to the script their families get whacked. It was all their own doing etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Its funny that the ultra liberals who are proclaimed as "Europe": The Dutch, The Germans, The French all continue to enable Russia and hamper Ukraine, while the Poles and Brits who have been cast as villians by Brussels are leading the fight for Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,288 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Certainly looks like the EU army is a non starter.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    A lot of people are mentally exhausted from worrying about events in Ukraine, which is understandable after a month and a bit of being bombarded with information about it.

    It's one of those things that's going to be used to lambast other people no matter what they do, because if one spends all their time worrying about Ukraine, you get people going, "While you're focused on Ukraine, here's what they have been doing!", and if you focus on other things, it's "Oh, looks like people are losing interest in Ukraine..." There's no mixture which everyone could agree is the right one.

    As for whether the Western world has the stamina, I should ask does Russia have the stamina? It's not as if Russia can go on and on with this either. They're being hit with sanctions, have piles of bodies coming back (or being cremated, as the case may be), Putin has people quitting the country over their disagreement with his actions. How is that tenable? It's not, is the answer.



  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]


    That’s true. Ukraine’s victory, and, to an extent, the western world’s, is that Ukraine will still exist as an independent state, albeit probably reduced in size. And then we will get back to ‘normal’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @briany - As for whether the Western world has the stamina, I should ask does Russia have the stamina? It's not as if Russia can go on and on with this either. They're being hit with sanctions, have piles of bodies coming back (or being cremated, as the case may be), Putin has people quitting the country over their disagreement with his actions. How is that tenable? It's not, is the answer.


    And herein lies the problem.

    Putin is digging such a huge hole for himself that the distinct danger now is that he will be squeezed in to such a tight corner, he uses the nuclear last resort. Whether that is a tactical nuke on Ukraine or something much more devastating only he knows.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    You will be quite suprised how much support Russia gets from south east Asia and the middle east.

    Putins disinformation have done alot of damage the last 20 years.

    And then you have Chinese trolls and Ayatollah trolls from Iran backing them up as well.

    Its all a common hate and blame game towards the west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    Gotta hope and that the people that have keys never turn them. Also will half them even launch. Granted probably more than enough to bake the earth either way...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭dasdog


    The way things are going and better weaponry being supplied it's more Treaty of Versailles than Ukraine giving up ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,449 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very good interview with a Russian based sociologist. He says he knew for the last two years at least that Putin would invade Ukraine and try and take the entire country. He talks about how Putin is turning the country from an authoritarian state into a totalitarian one. One very alarming prediction he makes is that the dictator may try and invade Poland and the Baltic states next (which might mean it would be no bad thing if the Ukrainian army was to inflict a humiliating defeat on the Russians - knock the wind out of their sails so to speak).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet




  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    I was watching French news this morning and there are people literally blaming Macron for rising energy prices, as if he personally hiked the gas prices and there’s nothing at all happening outside of France that’s beyond his control.

    Obviously there's a large element of negative campaigning and raw politics, but there’s also an incredibly stupid element in every population that seems to not understand that there are broader factors at play that are beyond their government. It’s perhaps a bigger issue in countries like France and the US where you’ve a large country and an executive / quasi executive president, but you see it to a large degree in the U.K. too - they see domestic politics as being omnipotent and the international issues as being distant, but it’s just shocking.

    I mean what do they expect the president to do, magic up some extra gas out of their abundant non existent gas fields and to that by, let’s say… Wednesday week?

    It’s also very obvious that elements of the French far right in particular but the more contrarian elements of the far left too are absolutely swimming in the same narrative and propaganda that swims around Brexit and the GOP. Some of the same characters seen around MAGA are even hovering around Le Pen. She also quite literally had Putin on her electoral brochures a few weeks ago and only had them shredded when the war kicked off.

    It’s unlikely she’ll get the 50% overall support she would need (two round run off system), but it’s just disheartening to see where things are going over there. It increasingly seems the days of edgy, artsy, interesting, liberal France are long faded.

    Hungary will be interesting and we should see what their direction will be in the next 24 hours or so.

    Seems though that politics has been drifting towards a coarsening of debate and it’s absolutely caught up in the same influencers, manipulators and propagandists and some of those tentacles certainly seem to go back to Moscow - and in all cases.



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  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    I really hope that Putin is stupid enough to take on Poland and NATO,so we can get an excuse to finish the prick off once and for all,but the problem is still 6500 nuclear warheads he sits on.

    if he is getting humiliated by Ukraine,imagine the humiliation he will get facing NATO,thats a guaranteed press the red button scenario



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