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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    What all accounts would they be?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Russian bots and sympathisers on twitter are already claiming the "Nazis executed their own" or it's a "false flag" operation and claim they can see one of the bodies moving and that they're "arranged too neatly for the cameras". Yup. That's the level of disconnect and denial lunacy we're dealing with.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    All while so called leaders stood by and were too afraid to anger that rat Putin.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Re NATO saying they are reluctant to give offensive weapons... surely its still defensive weaponry if you are still fighting within in your own country. Defending while repulsing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    On something of a tangent, I'm very impressed by the UK Sec. of State for Defence, Ben Wallace. He strikes me as genuinely compassionate towards the Ukrainian peoples' plight. During House of Commons sessions, he has the demeanour of a person bearing responsibility.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So they are not vulnerable then….they have everything they need. We shouldn’t be keeping the ambassador and his staff here just to cater for Irish who have permanently located to Russia and have their whole support network there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Stop making excuses for the Germans. South Africa produces more Palladium than Russia. Australia could supply all the aluminium, nikel, copper, iron ore they could eat and replace most, if not all, the gas. I understand Germany used to refines Titanium metal and suspect they still can. Ironically, they used to get the raw material from Ukraine, but again, Australia could supply it.

    Lets face some brutal German truths here; it's not getting these materials they are worried about, it's getting them at Russian prices and their profit margins they are concerned about. look at a large proportion of the military gear they were prepared to send - mostly outdated scrapings from the bottom of the barrel that wouldn't cost them anything to replace and much of it inherited rather than paid for, while The UK sent the latest greatest and highly effective stuff that will cost them a bomb to replace.

    Germany places wealth and the smug lifestyle it buys them above principle and morality. They are basically Switzerland without the neutrality, but thats only because they are in the EU, but they clearly pine for it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That was never the purpose of the Irish ambassador.

    I can understand the argument of breaking off diplomatic relations. I can't condemn Irish people staying there though. Its effectively their hone... I'm also going to go out on a limb here, and say they probably aren't fans of the Russian regime and may be of some use 'getting the message out'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,953 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Well they do support a country that would/ has actually done similar, so for them it's not so mental



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m not condemning them for a second. It’s their home. But they shouldn’t expect that diplomatic relations be maintained just for them.

    For what purpose do we need to allow the ambassador and his staff to stay



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    No, they (exactly Kaczynski) are asking for this. NATO has never suggested it. You must be watching polish TV propaganda.

    And NATO would be lunatics risking that nukes could fall into Kaczynski's hands. The first thing PiS did, when got into power 7 years ago, they broke illegally into NATO's headquarters in Poland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They don't need an Irish embassy to carry on their lives either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They may be vulnerable, but still wish to see it out. Do we supply diplomatic support. That's debatable. I know your position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I suspected as much as we have seen hardly any dronestrike footage for a couple of weeks, comparatively.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The war is on the upswing for Russia...




















    How long has it been since they lost a General ! 🙃





  • I vaguely remember wasn't there someone affiliated with a GAA club in Moscow defending Russian actions at the beginning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Source? Russia has claimed that have destroyed these many times over, but footage keeps coming out of the drones striking targets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That one slipped by me, I am barely aware of what's reported in Irish media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    You do realize that if NATO did deploy them they would be under NATO control not the polish government.

    Do you always have to turn everything into an anti PIS post,

    Everyone knows your stance with them getting a bit tiring at this stage.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Makes absolutely no sense to me, give them everything they ask for and more. They were invaded. Everything they do is defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    With the images of execution-like killing of bound civilians and the targeting of Mayors of towns, killing them and their family - I dread to think what's going to be found in Mariupol. Definite Srebrenica vibes and possibly worse.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IMHO JM that's wishful thinking. Now I'm certainly not one of those who reacts to the emotionals and calls for Death to the savages!! ballsology from the safety of their keyboard, because it's that bollocks that brings us to and perpetuates these horrors and always has done. Basically pick your side and shout at the other side and here we go again...

    However I would be extremely surprised if a large percentage, if not a majority of Russian people do indeed support putin and most of all Russia in all of this. Especially Russia and that support has grown IMHO and will until a breaking point is reached. You would have had some who were dubious of putin and really dubious since he invaded Ukraine, but with each passing day are more supportive of Russia and her troops.

    Look how easily people in this thread are led to "nuke putin!" reactions by seeing the horrors we've seen in the last 24 hours(and before), and we're free and able to view numerous sources on this war. Hell we can even dig around and find Russian sources, even though we quite naturally and rightly find them suspect at best. On their side your average Russian's sources are extremely curated by the state and putin. And yes they can VPN their way to outside sources, but they've been primed since birth and constantly that non Russian sources are to be automatically discounted. Merely suspecting them isn't enough. That non Russian sources are akin to an invasion of Russian minds and they've also been primed since birth that the "world" is against Russia and invasion of any sort is always a threat. And that's an easy sell to Russians. Their geography alone helps this sale. If you're in Moscow, look west. There are pretty much no natural barriers between you and your "enemies"*.

    Hell, his very conflict, this invasion of Ukraine itself is an example of this. It's got eff all to do with "nazis" or "biolabs"(there are more of both in Russia) or whatever Kremlin bullshít excuse they've spun to their people, it's far more about this invasion paranoia that's been building since their buffer states of the former USSR one by one and in short order said eff of Russia you pricks. Now you and I well know it's all about control, resources power and money for putin. If any Russian bot or sympathiser brings up "nazis", a simple question is return is; if putin wanted to denazify Ukraine, why didn't he invade ten or twenty years ago when there were more far right groups with far more support and more actually in government? I've found they've no answer to that. But yeah this invasion threat is a large part of how putin is selling this to Russians and they're buying it.


    *As an aside if you look at America they've got two oceans between them and any invasion threat, their southern border is their big worry and throughout the 20th century they've fought proxy wars and other nasty shenanigans that have killed tens of thousands in damn near every South American nation to assuage that worry. It wasn't a shock to me that trump's "Build a Wall!" rhetoric found such favour there. In Russia this geopolitical and historical threat has long been used by Russia's rulers as a way to keep fear in the back of the population's minds and control of that population.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Longing


    Same here first time contacting a TD with these images of mass slaughtering in Bucha. My family our outraged so annoyed. I beg everyone to right a short email it only takes 5 mins. Please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I need to correct wrong posts. And I only reply to wrong posts.

    How NATO could control it? How many soldiers, they would have to send to Poland only for this?

    NATO wasn't even able to protect their offices in Poland and sensitive information fell into wrong hands.

    Your posts buying polish propaganda and spreading it here are also tiring for me.

    Please, give me any objective source (not polish public tv), that NATO ever suggested it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Despite the outrage being expressed here repeatedly by the same posters the reality is that in the outside world, interest in the invasion is declining rapidly. Being replaced by concerns over cost of living issues and other more mundane issues. In my wide social circle unlike a few weeks ago virtually nobody talks about Ukraine anymore. Does the western world have the stamina for a lengthy conflict. I have my doubts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Well you can put me on ignore if you like.

    And to your accusation of spreading polish propaganda, I read about the nuclear weapons proposal on American news outlet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Iamhere


    Email sent, it was a long one. It's not much but it might put some pressure on if he gets enough of these.



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