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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A helluva lot more "developed" than Russia or Poland for that matter. Though it depends on one's viewpoint of course. EG Ireland would see its legislation and protection of LGBT communities as developed, Russia would see the same legislation and protection as decadent and bad for society.

    Regardless all that doesn't take away from my point: Those kids and people in general the world over are products of their culture and environment. Take half of the same kids and bring them up in Ukraine and they'd have very different opinions.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Disgusting to see two large Irish companies on that list. Especially Kingspan, you would have thought they'd be wise enough to stay clear of any bad PR after what the Grenfell enquiry has shown.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    What surprises me about that horrific scene is why are so many laying in the street? Combatants I can understand, but civilians tend to hide. Maybe shot by the bastards when they were trying to get out? Or like you say just summary executions. I fear that we're going to find out about some even more horrific actions by the invaders when the books come to be written.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    You will find all kind of people in any society: informers, ass lickers, manipulators etc. And Ireland is not immune to it. Try to threaten any cronies net in any bigger company here and you will see results.

    It is enough to have one bad kid (informer) in a class to have this result.

    Poland was ruled for 50 years by socialists, so left wing, which are usually more modern and with no church involved. After that now there is a reaction in an opposite direction to the right wing. But the fact that Poland is ruled by right wing (only 30% of voters) and don't have proper legislation doesn't mean that majoriyty of society thinks in that way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,360 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Looks like they were just going about their business, probably ambushed or purposely executed in a forced withdrawal.

    The guy executed on his bike would suggest they were someway at "ease".

    I just don't see how the Ukrainians will shift from their default position of rage, could take a generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Even if one were to accept his argument that Ukraine is a 'Nazi' state full of reprehensible people, Filatov gives no explanation as to where Russia would draw the legitimacy to invade its neighbouring country without warning. By any standards, this is a completely illegal invasion and violates numerous international laws - he can't even claim that Ukraine posed a threat to Russia and was planning to either launch an attack or invade it. His argument seems to be "They are a horrible country with a rotten government, so we decided to invade them".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Shows how drones are changing everything




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭thomil


    As with so many questions, it depends on a vast array of factors. Right now, Russia is not even close of taking control of Kharkiv, let alone using it as some sort of jumping-off point for military operations. Given the significant number of losses they've suffered, it will take a while for them to regroup, especially since quite a few of the units currently being withdrawn from Kyiv and Chernihiv are not much more than a shell of their former strength.

    Russia does have significant military forces still at their disposal in the East, but right now, many of them are barely making process, with Ukraine keeping up a strong defence in much of the Donbas area. In addition, whilst the situation in Mariupol may be horrible, it looks as if that city alone is tying down six BTGs that would otherwise be free to manoeuvre. From what I can see, the only real Russian offensive potentially possible in the short term is a drive south from Izyum to link up with the forces in the rear of the Mariupol siege ring, thereby encircling Ukrainian forces along the Donbas frontline. However, even that is tenuous, given the well-known Russian supply issues. That air strike in Belgorod yesterday likely has done nothing to improve that particular situation.

    Beyond that however, the Russian Army faces a laundry list of internal issues, a list that will take more than just a simple transfer of units from one part of the front to the other to resolve.

    One is the massive logistical problems that have been discussed ad nauseam in this thread. There is an over reliance on the rail network for getting supplies relatively close to the front, with road-based supply units only meant to basically gap the last few dozen kilometres between the front and the nearest rail head. I'm not even mentioning the inherent corruption that has left much of Russia"s stockpiled material hopelessly out of date.

    Going hand-in-hand with that is the issue of maintenance. There have been multiple documented examples of units going into battle with poorly maintained or dangerously deteriorated equipment. Mind you, I'm not talking about clapped-out third echelon T-64s here, I"m talking about modern system like the Pantsir S-1, which had been introduced only in the early 2010s and were already falling apart due to a lack of even basic care and repairs. Once again, this ties back to the corruption issues that I mentioned above.

    Then, there are the incessant leadership issues, both on a staff and on a unit level, combined with ingrained doctrinal issues. The Russian Army, like the Red Army before it, is organised along much more strictly hierarchical principles than armies in the west have been, with a strict insistence on obedience and insistence on sticking to the plans worked out by HQ. This not only stifles tactical initiative by junior commanders in the field, it also creates a system where reports going up the chain of command are more often aimed to tell HQ what it wants to hear rather than the actual situation on the ground. Not only does such a system prevent commanders from using their units in a way that reflects the actual battlefield situation, it also suffocates the careers of any "renegade" officers that might threaten the status quo. There's little chance of a Russian Nelson, Rommel, Patton, or even a Woodward or a Spruance rising through the ranks in the current Russian Armed Forces, even with the rapidly rising number of vacancies amongst their generals.

    This segues nicely into the next issue, the lack of any true combined arms operations. Rather than having an infantry push supported by tanks and IFVs with close air support and artillery, a type of operation that the Red Army perfected in WW2, we've seen mostly isolated pushes by mechanised infantry units, isolated pushes by tanks, attacks by ground-attack aircraft and helicopters all taking place separately from each other. About the only thing that appears to be somewhat working is artillery and even there, I'm getting the impression that they're simply firing on grid references on a map, rather than at any real target.

    All of this will have an influence on Russia's ability to make any progress in the east, especially in the face of a well-motivated and tactically superior opponent. Can Russia still pull off a victory? Possibly, but time is against them!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Unlucky Diogo

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Disgraceful stuff. Very unlikely that Ukrainian civilians were fighting the Russian army in Bucha (it's a suburb of Kyiv), meaning they must have been deliberately slaughtered - a war crime in other words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭deise08


    Warning on this one also. Very graphic.

    Russian soldiers bodies. Been there a while. I haven't watched the whole video So I don't know how graphic it gets.

    I also don't know how to remove the tweet now that I have linked it.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    That's how food cans are precious and protected in Russian shops...

    Screenshot 2022-04-02 at 13.55.50.png




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    New rules against it were rushed in after Merkel came to power.


    Not by Merkel now, the ones who were going to have to meet her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Good to see Kerry group and Kingspan have no fcuking morals. People on about nestle but these two homegrown pricks hanging on in for the last schilling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Silvio got "married" to an MP 53 years younger than him last week.


    No shortage of bunga bunga for the bould Silvio



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Like I said in a previous post. A country of crooks. Is it any wonder they can't fight for sh1t when they spend most of their times scavenging for loot. Padraic Nally would have taken out a battalion on his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    Slightly off topic but an interesting video I watched today on Vodka, it's deleterious effect on Russian society and a means of control.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well that's not exactly an insult now.

    Sources have it that Bin Laden was trying to hire Nally in order to replace his entire security team with one man before he was taken out. Nally would have made short work of Seal Team 6 before his elevenses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    So maybe we should send trucks of vodka or poitin to the east border of Ukraine and left it there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hmm, as I suspected nobody would be mistaking that MP for the former German chancellor. Or for Hilary Clinton, amirite Donald?😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    It's from yale univ hosted by google - should be safe. I can make a text snapshot but not now from my phone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭circadian



    There's a striking similarity of how the Chechen wars went and what's happening now. This is less than 30 years ago and some of it under Putin's control.


    Here's a list of massacres in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union, many are in and around Chechnya and like I said, are similar in nature to what happens in Ukraine. Bombing schools, hospitals, cluster munitions, sieges and relentless artillery. They have absolutely no intention of letting up.




  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Malaysia Lively Certificate


    Russia control 90 percent of Ukraines oil and gas. Dont see them giving up that land




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd say that there were a lot more people on that street and someone opened up on them with a machine gun. There's plenty of injured as well, but they managed to get them off the street and into shelter. Murderous scum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


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    Source: politico.eu



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