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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Shrewder or not, when Covid shut down China the whole world stopped as well. So if China has that kind of power its beyond serious, and it has not started already, its high time the west weaned itself of Chinese products. Its gotten far too big for its boots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The Russians really take us for thick gullible paddies.


    Back to their cave hopefully when this is all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭PrzemoF


    2.5m refugees in Poland. 600k got PESEL (Polish PPS) that allows to tap into financial help, start work, etc.

    I got a first hand relation from a friend that worked in Russia in 2014 that even highly educated Russians live in a parallel universe. "We're good, the USA is evil, it's all their fault. We just want to help". It was around the time of euromaidan in Kyiv when Ukrainians kicked out pro-putin government. I lost hope that the war will be stopped by civilian actions in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ah, hard to bate the good auld reliable IED's in all their variations !!!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kerry Group the most notable one there

    And Kingspan too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    how much of the East can Russia expect to conquer? Mariupol to Kharkiv for a few months? then what

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    You would hope the Irish media do their job and name and shame these 2 companies.

    Might be time to fire off some emails to RTE, Newstalk etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This rather puts the Russian twisting of facts in perspective:

    26 is around the death toll from the hollowed out regional administrative building in Mykolaiv, to put those 2020 figures into perspective (27).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I can't make much sense of this. I presume it's an attack on mainly civillians? Protesters?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,610 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Any chance you could post the list in a text version? I'm not a fan of opening random files from the Internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    You want to believe it. It is far from reality as I experienced opposite reaction personally in Ireland. It only depends to how strong opponent atm you are acting against. You are not so developed as you would like to think.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well given that after Rome fell in the western empire, Constantinople continued on as Rome in the east(which we in Western Europe tend to ignore), and after it fell nearly a thousand years later many Romans(they didn't call themselves Byzantines) left for the north and Russia, bringing with them many influences. Moscow's nickname is "The Third Rome". So history may well repeat itself alright.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There have been quite a few stories of Russians refusing to fight, the most recent is around 1,000 Russian national guard refusing to be deployed. There's also been a couple of mutinies we know of, at least one (or possibly two) whereby Russian troops ran over their commander injuring him. Ukrainians seem to have quite a few Russian POWs, the "exchange rates" are typically very high (exchanging captured Russians for captured Ukrainians). Russians are also abandoning their equipment and vehicles in large numbers, so far, it's been visually confirmed that the Russians have allowed around over 1,000 separate vehicles and pieces of equipment to be captured (or abandoned them), it basically means the Ukrainian military is technically larger now than it was at the start of the war (from independent visually confirmed reports they are capturing more than they are losing)

    We are fairly certain that at least 10k Russian soldiers are dead as of just over a week ago (the Russians let it slip in their press) and there's a decent number of injured, possibly in the 10's of thousands. Over 350 main battle tanks lost or captured. Keep in mind though that's out of 200k invasion force, so 10% to 15% reduction in fighting power, split across multiple fronts. Morale seems to be bad on the Russian side, but don't think it's enough to cause any significant collapse myself. The first month has been bad for them, but they are digging in more now and I very much doubt they'll keep making the same errors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'd guess the Russia M.O. for dispersing protests seems to be gunfire (in the air) and flashbangs, for now (which is what happened in Kherson)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A helluva lot more "developed" than Russia or Poland for that matter. Though it depends on one's viewpoint of course. EG Ireland would see its legislation and protection of LGBT communities as developed, Russia would see the same legislation and protection as decadent and bad for society.

    Regardless all that doesn't take away from my point: Those kids and people in general the world over are products of their culture and environment. Take half of the same kids and bring them up in Ukraine and they'd have very different opinions.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Disgusting to see two large Irish companies on that list. Especially Kingspan, you would have thought they'd be wise enough to stay clear of any bad PR after what the Grenfell enquiry has shown.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    What surprises me about that horrific scene is why are so many laying in the street? Combatants I can understand, but civilians tend to hide. Maybe shot by the bastards when they were trying to get out? Or like you say just summary executions. I fear that we're going to find out about some even more horrific actions by the invaders when the books come to be written.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    You will find all kind of people in any society: informers, ass lickers, manipulators etc. And Ireland is not immune to it. Try to threaten any cronies net in any bigger company here and you will see results.

    It is enough to have one bad kid (informer) in a class to have this result.

    Poland was ruled for 50 years by socialists, so left wing, which are usually more modern and with no church involved. After that now there is a reaction in an opposite direction to the right wing. But the fact that Poland is ruled by right wing (only 30% of voters) and don't have proper legislation doesn't mean that majoriyty of society thinks in that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Looks like they were just going about their business, probably ambushed or purposely executed in a forced withdrawal.

    The guy executed on his bike would suggest they were someway at "ease".

    I just don't see how the Ukrainians will shift from their default position of rage, could take a generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Even if one were to accept his argument that Ukraine is a 'Nazi' state full of reprehensible people, Filatov gives no explanation as to where Russia would draw the legitimacy to invade its neighbouring country without warning. By any standards, this is a completely illegal invasion and violates numerous international laws - he can't even claim that Ukraine posed a threat to Russia and was planning to either launch an attack or invade it. His argument seems to be "They are a horrible country with a rotten government, so we decided to invade them".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Shows how drones are changing everything




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭thomil


    As with so many questions, it depends on a vast array of factors. Right now, Russia is not even close of taking control of Kharkiv, let alone using it as some sort of jumping-off point for military operations. Given the significant number of losses they've suffered, it will take a while for them to regroup, especially since quite a few of the units currently being withdrawn from Kyiv and Chernihiv are not much more than a shell of their former strength.

    Russia does have significant military forces still at their disposal in the East, but right now, many of them are barely making process, with Ukraine keeping up a strong defence in much of the Donbas area. In addition, whilst the situation in Mariupol may be horrible, it looks as if that city alone is tying down six BTGs that would otherwise be free to manoeuvre. From what I can see, the only real Russian offensive potentially possible in the short term is a drive south from Izyum to link up with the forces in the rear of the Mariupol siege ring, thereby encircling Ukrainian forces along the Donbas frontline. However, even that is tenuous, given the well-known Russian supply issues. That air strike in Belgorod yesterday likely has done nothing to improve that particular situation.

    Beyond that however, the Russian Army faces a laundry list of internal issues, a list that will take more than just a simple transfer of units from one part of the front to the other to resolve.

    One is the massive logistical problems that have been discussed ad nauseam in this thread. There is an over reliance on the rail network for getting supplies relatively close to the front, with road-based supply units only meant to basically gap the last few dozen kilometres between the front and the nearest rail head. I'm not even mentioning the inherent corruption that has left much of Russia"s stockpiled material hopelessly out of date.

    Going hand-in-hand with that is the issue of maintenance. There have been multiple documented examples of units going into battle with poorly maintained or dangerously deteriorated equipment. Mind you, I'm not talking about clapped-out third echelon T-64s here, I"m talking about modern system like the Pantsir S-1, which had been introduced only in the early 2010s and were already falling apart due to a lack of even basic care and repairs. Once again, this ties back to the corruption issues that I mentioned above.

    Then, there are the incessant leadership issues, both on a staff and on a unit level, combined with ingrained doctrinal issues. The Russian Army, like the Red Army before it, is organised along much more strictly hierarchical principles than armies in the west have been, with a strict insistence on obedience and insistence on sticking to the plans worked out by HQ. This not only stifles tactical initiative by junior commanders in the field, it also creates a system where reports going up the chain of command are more often aimed to tell HQ what it wants to hear rather than the actual situation on the ground. Not only does such a system prevent commanders from using their units in a way that reflects the actual battlefield situation, it also suffocates the careers of any "renegade" officers that might threaten the status quo. There's little chance of a Russian Nelson, Rommel, Patton, or even a Woodward or a Spruance rising through the ranks in the current Russian Armed Forces, even with the rapidly rising number of vacancies amongst their generals.

    This segues nicely into the next issue, the lack of any true combined arms operations. Rather than having an infantry push supported by tanks and IFVs with close air support and artillery, a type of operation that the Red Army perfected in WW2, we've seen mostly isolated pushes by mechanised infantry units, isolated pushes by tanks, attacks by ground-attack aircraft and helicopters all taking place separately from each other. About the only thing that appears to be somewhat working is artillery and even there, I'm getting the impression that they're simply firing on grid references on a map, rather than at any real target.

    All of this will have an influence on Russia's ability to make any progress in the east, especially in the face of a well-motivated and tactically superior opponent. Can Russia still pull off a victory? Possibly, but time is against them!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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