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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    Does anyone else get the horrible feeling Russia is pulling its troops from around Kviv because they are planning a chemical or nuclear attack on the city? I really hope I'm wrong but from what we've seen of Putin he doesn't like to loose, and I definitely wouldn't put it past him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,815 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If the Ukrainians can get the Russians pushed back across the northern border, could they then mine the hell out of the first couple of kilometers of their border with Belarus so that they don't need so many troops to defend it and free up most of the troops for the east/south?

    I hope they have already been using the past few weeks to mine every bridge and culvert on the rest of the Belarussian border ala the Swiss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Looks more like they were "encouraged" to leave by the Ukrainian counterattacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Is he going to launch something at Kyiv?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Just because those Russians found that they were living in different countries after the Soviet Union collapsed it doesn't mean they're 'locked out'. They can go and live in Russia, can't they?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but next time will be started by Ukraine....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,089 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia: We have no plans to attack Kyiv with weapons of mass destruction

    Ron Howard: Later that day, Russia attacked Kyiv with weapons of mass destruction

    But in seriousness, the city of Kyiv itself is a place I understand Russians hold in high regard and think of it as the second city of the Slavic world, behind Moscow, and an historical centre of Slavic culture before Moscow even got going. The idea of bombarding Kyiv could be controversial for even the true blue supporter of Putin as it would potentially mean destroying some dear history. I don't know what the Irish equivalent would be.... Maybe like flattening Bundoran or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    That's what was found on dead Russian soldier

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I wouldn't say it's laughable at all. Ukraine is extremely reliant on the humanitarian and military support being provided by the West. If Ukraine started unilaterally trying to escalate by e.g. mindlessly targeting civilian populations in Russia I suspect things would go very badly for Ukraine.

    There is also public opinion within Russia proper which must have some bearing on how Putin and the Kremlin react. Dead Russian children plastered all over the TV is only going to bolster any real and tangible support for war. That kind of thing would make mass conscription much more palatable to the Russian population for example; and I suspect Ukraine wouldn't want that either.

    Not to mention that the Russian forces actually on the ground might be much more inclined to actually fight inside Ukraine if Ukraine were targeting Russian towns and villages directly; again not a great thing for Ukraine who would much prefer fighting troops with low morale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    If either of those things happen I reckon NATO will get involved and then any Russian within the borders of Ukraine would be fair game.

    After Obama's red lines in Syria debacle the US will react in far more aggressive manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    Makes sense although that might just further incentivize the Georgians to make a move to reclaim their territory from the Russian occupation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I suspect it might be the Donbass War for the foreseeable future. Most action will be attrition based warfare along a single long front from Mariupol in the south up to Kharkiv in the north; or some variation thereof. Strikes behind Ukraine lines will be frequent and damaging; Ukraine won't be able to do the same behind Russian lines. Losses on both sides will likely be significant; but Ukraine will struggle against Russian air superiority. At some point Russia might achieve air supremacy over some key Ukrainian cities which would be a disaster and could force Ukraine's hand at any negotiations; but I hope that's less likely.

    Just my idiot opinion. I sincerely hope we will have had a Russian withdrawal by then but I just don't see how that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    I agree, but a chemical or biological attack would not flatten the city



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If push comes to shove, Putin does not need any reason to call a nuclear strike....one of his spokespersons has already said that Russia is not bound by any "First Strike " rules or international laws. It will evaluate threats as it sees fit, and react accordingly.( Nukes? ) And we have already seen an Israeli spokes person ( one who has always only posted positive articles / news etc. about Putin ) publicly stating that Putin HAS to achieve his Ukrainian targets, otherwise this will be considered as failure, and that will be an existential threat to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Well it's pretty difficult to pick up helicopters flying low like that using radar; especially medium or long range radar.

    It's also possible even if they were seen by local anti-air units that they may not have even considered they were Ukraine's helicopters; so they wouldn't have even tried to shoot them down.

    Presumably any further helicopter incursions into Russian territory will be much harder; especially to the North where Russian helicopters aren't operating regularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian


    I'd expect them to leave the troops there if that were the case, maybe I think too little of their command but so far it seems like they're happy to sacrifice the cannon fodder for little reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭zv2


    They'll need them. I read on twitter the last Bayraktar was killed recently. They had 18 of them.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Such a pity the noble Bayraktar is now extinct.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Am I the only one hoping we get to see the video of the two gunships flying into Russia while they attach a voice over from Alex Guinness saying Luke use the force as the rockets fly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I was just thinking this. Russians saying Ukrainians bombed a facility on their soil. Ukraine says it didn’t. Russia moving troops away from areas not expected. Is anybody talking about a potential false flag operation?


    God I hope there is not some shock and awe massacre coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    It's not entirely unexpected, they did say they are moving them out a few days back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Chicken Kiev renamed Chicken Kyiv by Sainsbury’s after Russia’s attack on Ukraine

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Maybe , it’s just that worry you’d have that Putin will go full on Bond villian. I mean he clearly doesn’t give a f**k about killing thousands and destroying cities.

    Ive been listening to some sources now labelling him a psychopath. I’m not sure if that’s just intended to put him down or an actual assessment of him but it’s not exactly Implying a rational mind and we can’t really assess how a irrational mind like that might respond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Well if you read it on Twitter it must be true!

    It's possible they don't have many left but there's no reason to believe they have somehow lost all of them. If they can keep at least two Mi-24 attack choppers in working order until this point they can surely keep a few TB2s.

    Only two TB2s have been confirmed lost in Ukraine at this point. The real number is likely higher; but considering the psychological aspect I would expect Russian/DPR/LPR forces to make a song and a dance over any proof of a TB2 kill; so I wouldn't think the real number would be too much higher.

    Also there have been several large shipments made from the Turkish airport known to be associated with TB2 deliveries and Rzeszów airport in Poland which is known to be associated with Ukraine aid shipments. A number of those shipments were made by Ukrainian flagged cargo planes too; so read into that what you will.

    It is a little concerning we haven't seen any new TB2 footage in some time though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,469 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I can't see how Russia achieves a major and clear cut military victory against Ukraine anywhere within Ukraine's border. They have shown they have a second rate and demoralised army which is not fit for purpose. Also, the momentum is more than with the Ukrainians now and they are up for the fight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    The Russians probably won't be singing and dancing.

    It's worth that they already claim to have downed more TB2's than the Ukrainian army had at start if the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Pull back from Kyiv. Join up with forces in east and defeat Ukraine forces in detail. Secure rear / supply lines so fighting on one front only. If Russia are in for the long haul.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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