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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian


    Most of their military gear is Russian made, although they've started buying some US made gear in more recent years. I'd say they're definitely getting a little worried considering sanctions will result in reduced ability to provide maintenance materials for all this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Pakistan announcing another arms deal with the US in the next few months considering how awful the Russian equipment has performed.


    If Modi was any use, and it appears he isn't particulary clever, he'd be looking at ways of cutting ties with the Russians.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Interesting documetary regarding one of russias elite units suffering in Ukraine and how russians in general reacted to it.

    Its not just a war on the battlefield,its an information war as well

    The commander in his speech at the funeral of one of his fallen soldiers,said he died to protect Russia against Nazis??




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    What he actually meant was, he was a Nazi fighting for Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Reminds me of the attack the US organized on Japan immediately after Pearl Harbour. It was totally unexpected, just as the Japanese attack had been, and was just a foretaste of what was to come down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I think the assumption in the west was that the Ukraine would lose, relations would resume with Russia slowly and in a few years time it'd be half forgotten. Now the outcome is not a foregone conclusion so in the west people think there needs to be a compromise, even though Russia is 100% wrong and Ukraine 100% right. I'm not sure they are keen to give up very much, even if they were defeated militarily as a people they'd still not surrender, they'd continue to fight in some way.

    I think Miriam's questioning reflects the assumption that were widely shared until very recently, basically that Russian triumph was inevitable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Modi is buying lots of Russian oil at 35 to 45 dollars a barrel. Edit. 15 million offered at 35 and current 6 mill barrels is at a 30 dollar discount to Brent.


    6 million barrels on the move already, about 3 times the last year's purchase of oil from Russia.


    Modi will be looking at deepening ties to Moscow and taking full advantage. The Indians are backing Russia in all of this and that's popular on the street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Yes, but the culture was different. The western world was a far more hardship-laden, serious and a far less frivolous place. I bet they not only had more confidence in the truthfulness of their media, but that they were more justified in having it, certainly comparing to the standards of today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Surprised they aren't realising that if Russia ends up beholden to China then their main arms supplier and their regional rival will be on the same team.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Hardly recent information. Perhaps you were unaware of earlier histories of the subject. For example, in his memoirs written 1992, the Task Force commander said:

    I think the aspect of [my] book which most surprised my editors and publishers was the inescapable conclusion that, one way and another, it was a bit of a close call. There have been those who went as far as to describe Britain’s battle to recover the Falkland Islands as “A damned close run thing”, as the Duke of Wellington was moved to do after Waterloo. I don’t go quite that far - but like the late but timely arrival of Blucher’s Army, there were several critical turning points which could have gone either way. Most of them, I was glad to note at the time, turned in our favor,

    lt should also be recalled that there were several entirely competent organizations which initially suspected the whole operation was doomed. In no particular order they were:

    a) The United States Navy, which considered the re-capture of the Falkland Islands by British forces alone to be a military impossibility.

    b) The Ministry of Defense in Whitehall, which assessed that a tolerable air situation could not be achieved and that therefore the battle could not be won.

    c) The Army, which considered it to be ill-advised, for lack of a 'proper' advantage ration in land force numbers.

    d) The Royal Air force, which, seeing little role for themselves on account of the vast distances, and no chance of a navy surviving in the face of an air force, was inclined to agree

    e) The Secretary of State for Defence, Mr (Now Sir) John Nott, who firstly represented the views of his ministry, and possibly also since success in it would probably overturn his 1981 defense review

    By that time, also combined with information coming from the Argentine side, such as Middlebrook's book in English published 1989, it was very clear that several small decisions or pieces of luck made a significant outcome in the difference (eg Argentine mechanic getting the arming wires crossed in one of their submarines resulting in dud torpedoes being fired). However, on the other hand, Napoleon said he wanted lucky generals. In reality, that means a force best able to make the most of the opportunities presented to it, which in this case, was the very well-trained British.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    It would be a real shame if the Indian outsourcers found themselves on the wrong side of sanctions. How many jobs and from Indian standards high paying ones are reliant on the outsourcers in India? Modi could be very shortsighted with this because the West can hurt India significantly if he's not careful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭Drexel_3


    Has gas to Europe been turned off yet? Have countries paid in Rubles? Bluff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,818 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The West is reliant on cheap Indian IT labour however. Even more so than Russian gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Yes and India are reliant on the West to provide these jobs. Its a two way street and if Modi pushes his luck he could very well have a lot more than he bargained for. That cheap Russian oil could end up being very costly indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This seems to tie in with the state propaganda. "We're not actually at war and we're fully in control of everything". The way that people seem to swallow everything they are told by the Kremlin without question is certainly a sight to behold.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Excactly,and with the sanctions now,and Russia looking for help from China,means they Russia would probably end up in Chinas pocket,and offcourse China would take advantage of this vs India.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Here's an interview with a Russian field commander abiut their culinary situation




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    If, as people claim, Putin is playing 4D chess, it is clear India plays 1D chess.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    I guess Russians are atleast helping the Ukrainian farmers,not only with supplying them with armoured vehicles,but also vermin control.

    I dont know which is worse,the four legged rats or the tow legged ones from Kremlin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Obviously they have nuclear power which they could deploy, but is there any path to victory for them now short of using that, which is a massive risk for them too.

    Ukrainian troops are more motivated, quite experienced, have home advantage and are going to keep receiving weaponry from abroad.

    Can the Russians really defeat the Ukrainian people if their resolve to fight keeps up?

    Have never been in a war zone, don't have any real knowledge of military tactics, so I don't know. But I often think of the difficulties the US had in Afghanistan, and in Ukraine the people are united behind their Government while many Afghans despised the Taliban. I also think of the North where a group as small as the IRA kept a struggle up against the British army for 25 years.

    In the west I think everyone from Biden down expected this war to be over about a month ago, with a Russian puppet government installed by now. Could that still happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Putin is not playing "4D chess" or doing anything smart. Some people look for some deeper meaning, because "oh, he is a great leader, he must know what we don't, he is so smart". I have seen and talked to politicians. Some of them are very charming and charismatic. But being smart is not a requirement for a politician, it's the ability to sell your friends and lick correct arses that is needed.

    Some people say that Putin is waging war because he wants to re-unite Ukraine with Russia into some kind of pseudo-USSR. That is all fluff, in my opinion. Ukraine is a country that can be plundered and it resources divided between oligarchs close to Putin, and this is a more plausible explanation for the war. That is what "denazification" Putin is talking about -- take all the resources from Ukrainians (="nazis") and give it to Russian capitalists. This is just an imperialist war of conquest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I find the idea(from other posts that you are referring to, not yours) of ukrainians having to restrain themselves in case of repracussions absolutely laughable. If someone invades your home, you have carte blanche as far as im concerned excluding murder of pows or other war crimes. They have the right to do whatever it takes and should if they are able.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭ARX


    Will Russians get to hear about it though? I would imagine that if it appears on the news at all it will be presented either as a tragic accident or as a successful attack against Ukrainian forces. To what extent is the Kremlin able to keep a lid on this?

    EDIT: never mind, I just read that Moscow has accused Ukraine of carrying out the attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It doesnt need to be and it would be a good thing if that avenue was cut off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Unfortunately the West chose globalization and now has to accept that most of the world does not share it's values or go along with what it think is right.


    For just starters India and China will be ignoring sanctions against Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah, not to denigrate all Indian IT but no critical systems that I'm aware of are dependant on them or any specific nationality, most teams that I've worked in for quant finance systems for example, you will find it's almost like the UN, you will get every creed, race and nationality under the sun working in IT teams. The idea is to get the best from everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭circadian


    This. They don't give a flying **** if they flatten the entire country as long as they hold control of the gas and oil, they'd probably be happy enough with an ongoing occupation/insurgency but I don't think it's played out that way. If they had done this in 2014 when the Ukrainian army was in disarray then it might have worked. They're now having to compete with a steady supply of modern weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    So what do people think will be the story in one month if you had to wager your house.

    I think ‘peace deal’ and cessation of hostilities but then war again son time after

    more detailed theories are welcom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, it has been reported by the Russian media in fact. Lots of faux outrage about how it might stop the supposed "peace talks" from going ahead. I'd say there must be a fair few raised eyebrows in Russia though after people being told that the special operation was a big success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Yep the 4th Guards Tank Division got their asses handed to them, lost a lot of tanks from their 228 Main battle tanks and a lot of armoured vehicles and by all accounts have been withdrawn back to Russia to be replenished.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,818 ✭✭✭✭josip



    Everybody's opinions will be based on their own experiences I guess. My own experience is mixed, but I have encountered some extremely clever and capable Indian contractors.



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