Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Belgorod is near the border south of Sumy and North of Kharkiv. There is recently made white space there where Russian forces have withdrawn/retreated so no longer control, and it runs right up to their border so it's not impossible that it was the Ukrainians in this instance.

Although I'm not seeing the fire on FIRMS yet if it would appear there.

I know don't believe anything when it comes to Russia ,but there's been no outrage from them about being attacked on their own soil and nothing from the US about planned false flags either,

It's an odd one especially being it's the second time the same city has been hit by Ukraine ,

Wunderwaffle weapons too ,that we can definitely agree on ,the Armada unstoppable tank ,the terminator IFV unstoppable because it has two 30 mm canons instead of the usual one ,the su57 stealth aircraft that have been detected by 4th generation aircrafts radar , which means everyone else can see it too ,

There hypersonic missiles that are only an air launched ballistic missile fired in a steep arch .

It's Aprils fools everyday in Moscow

If it's a Ukrainian strike, then it's more embarrassing to Russia than anything. A delay from them usually means they are deciding how to spin it. If they acknowledge it too much, then it gets into Russian media, next thing Russians are asking how is the operation going so well if Ukrainian helicopters can just fly into Russia and blow up their fuel reserves..

Remember, they claim to have neutralised the Ukr air force. Imagine a helicopter attack taking place on mainland US. It's definitely embarrassing for them, but of course I expect them to spin the hell out of it somehow.

If however it's a false flag by Russia, it's a bit of a strange one.

Lavrov claiming talks going well and should be continued. Talking about Ukrainians ceding on Russia's place in the Donbass and giving up on joining a bloc like NATO or the EU?? Surely he's wrong there?

You're 100% correct, I mistakenly thought they had a few. I'd settle for a destroyer though, one far removed from the current conflict, so as to leave them puzzled.

Yer wan is long past her sell by date in more ways than one.

Should be retired by RTE or relegated to the likes of the Meaning of Life shows.

I don't particularly understand the notion that attacking a Fuel Depot is a good false flag.

Surely the Helicopters should be acting as 'Nazi's' by attacking civilians.

Fuel Depot's are legitimate military targets - and it helps put a dent into the existing logistics issues supplying frontline Russian troops.

I would imagine the Ukrainian government would quite like the False Flag narrative to be popular- hence why they are not claiming it. Similar to an attack on the 25th of Feb which they did not claim either.

As I hinted before at this stage the West should be giving the Ukrainians the weapons to win this war now. It parks all this compromise bollixs and then also allows for a far more exacting solution towards the aggressor nation Russia. If they are booted out of Ukraine totally then they have no leverage.

Because it's a large city defended by the most experienced and determined of Ukraine's army, and has been right beside the frontline of the unofficial war in the Donbas region for the last 5 years, so not likely to be taken be surprise like other areas. Instead the Russians are getting bogged down into street fights, with their artillery attacks having little impact except in terms of bad publicity, and a lot of their fighting now being done by Donbas conscripts, who really don't want to be there.

As for the helicopter attack on Belgorod - no way is that a false flag operation. How can the Russians possibly spin an incisive attack on a strategic target, with no collateral damage to spark fury with, as anything other than an embarrassment. Imagine the stretches to credibility they'll have to go through to explain how a few days after Putin announces - 'We've achieved our goals in Northern Ukraine', 2 attack helicopters fly unhindered 40 km into Russia, blow stuff up and merrily fly home.

As someone said on twitter, wouldn't happen to the U.S. or China, but 370,000 Begorod people are looking out their windows at a smoke plume, thinking the war is suddenly a lot closer, and asking questions

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0401/1289690-ukraine-russia/

There's no indication as to why the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has been denied permission to bring supplies of medicine and food into Mariupol. As far as I know, even the Nazis didn't dare to obstruct ICRC workers.

Rationing, high death toll and a large number managed to evacuate. I can't imagine the situation for Ukrainians there is anything better than extremely grim.

Indiscriminate shelling of civilian populations is in the same realm in fairness. We have no idea what conditions those who have been taken away are in. There's no saving grace in the behaviour of the Russians so far and as the war drags on I can't see them improving either.

Another Chopper is downed.