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Smart Intruder Alarms

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Just an FYI in case people weren’t aware - Ajax have an event on 03 Dec and they may introduce some new equipment or sensors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Can I ask actually, do most people just screw motion detectors or other sensors straight into plasterboard? Or do you use rawlplugs Or other plasterboard fixings?

    something like a smoke alarm is relatively heavy to screw into a ceiling I think?



  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭roarlad


    Anyone have any recommendations for smart alarm sensors which can be used as motion sensors for a postbox? i.e. notify when a postbox has been opened or closed etc.

    I have the Ajax System, and was thinking of using a DoorProtect, though not an ideal solution..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    I’ve heard of people using aqara vibration sensors but obviously that would require a hub also unless you already had one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Dipsomaniac


    Hi all. I'm looking to pull the trigger on an Ajax system. Will I be able to install the Door protect plus on this window in the same way?

    Will it be able to function correctly at an angle like this?

    The old sensor is installed as shown as there is an angle all around the frame. All the windows in the house will be similar to this.

    I will be removing the old sensors as all the cables were cut in the past




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  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭roarlad


    Interesting, thanks, that was the type of kit I was thinking of, though not necessarily having to get another hub to manage it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Dipsomaniac


    Cheers. Even after reading that earlier I wasnt sure but I'll take it it says it in there somewhere that'll work. Looking to order 19 of these bad boys so hopefully they work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Having recently installed a few - they will definitely work as you would like. The large magnet genuinely does have about 2cm range before it’s considered “open”.

    Would be no harm having a 2mm drill bit if you can find one just to make little pilot holes to help you screw in the little screw (especially if it’s a curved surface) and then a small level to help you square up the brackets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭lardarse


    Not sure on prices at the moment, but megateh doing a black friday deal.

    www.megateh.eu/products/blackfriday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


    I pulled the trigger on a full system on Thursday, their pricing seems to be varying daily. The same system is over €300 more expensive now even though the sale is on till next Wednesday.

    Make sure you use the code megablack during checkout to get an extra few % off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭ctlsleh


    Has there been any change on the home insurance recognition front for smart alarms?

    Not that I want to necessarily use the discount, but the issue I’ve found is that the insurance companies put a low ceiling on contents if you have no alarm/

    I think it was €120K last time, which isn’t a lot for a family of 5 if your house was to burn down………?

    To someone’s point earlier in the thread, you can advise of having the alarm, but not take the discount, what I’m looking for is to upgrade a 20 year old Aritech system with a smart alarm, wired doors and internally wired PIRs with wireless window sensors etc.


    however it’s only worth my while if the insurance company recognised it and allowed me increase my contents insurance……..anyone else face that issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭jem


    Hi all,

    have a man cave in the yard and would like to put a cheep alarm on it- just in case.

    Was lookind at https://www.lights.ie/homematic-ip-starter-set-alarm.html

    There is only 1 window and a sliding door .

    Have full wored internet in the cave.

    what do peoiple think or have other options pls.

    Want cheep and self install

    j



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Extend the house alarm (assuming you have one) and programme the shed as a separate zone. That way the shed can have its own code and can be armed separately to the house. This could be achieved using an Ethernet cable. If no ethernet cable use a wireless sensor, if this is not an option you could use a "quick bridge". This is not just cost effective, it works very effectively and leverages what you already have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Is megatah still the place to buy the Ajax system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW





    One of these three. Prices vary.


    I might be ordering some from BAS and sergico myself, as Sergico even with delivery cost easily beat BAS on Keypad Plus.


    The recent conference was to announce further wired sensors (Fibra) which is great for me, I went for the multi transmitter so be interesting to see how it all syncs together. May require specialised cables though!


    Hopefully they are safe despite how things are right now.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Do not avail of insurance "discounts" for having an intruder alarm. When I looked into this there is a lot of small print on this in the terms and conditions. The alarm must be installed by a PSA registered installer, it must have a service contract which immediately wipes out any saving and the policy is null and void if the alarm has not been set (they can check the event log).



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭ctlsleh


    I’ve had an issue getting content insurance of greater than €150K on a house worth €450K without having an alarm, hence why I’ve been looking at options.

    has anyone else had that issue? Or is there a better insurance company to use?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I suggest you shop around. I haven't hand any such issue insuring a house worth more, my policy is with Liberty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭ctlsleh


    The issue is getting context insurance for more than 30% of the house value



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    I don't know if it's something specific for your house value or what.

    I just did a test quote with AA, house at €215,000 (which is supposed to include higher than average spec kitchen costs etc.) and then contents at €80,000. I selected the option of a non approved alarm in the relevant section.

    The house value might be too low but since the issue was around content I wasn't going into too much detail on it.

    €55 roughly.

    It was a fake quote just to see if I could replicate your issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Moved into our new house a few months back, the house was setup with a faulty phonewatch system, by faulty I mean it was going off during the day and we had no means to stop it going off except for eventually pulling the battery out

    Anyway long story short I now have a heap of wireless sensors attached to windows and doors that I'd like to get back to good use with another alarm system

    Does anybody know an alarm system that can pick up the frequency signals they run on or am I milking a dead horse here?

    Failing that is there any alarm system that I can get with wireless sensors I can attach to the existing holders?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    These sensors will not work with a different system. You need to start from scratch. If you want a DIY smart alarm this thread is the right place for you. If not the alarm forum is here:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I wasn't expecting the electronics part of the sensors to work with another system - hopeful - but wasn't expecting it.

    What I am thinking is the holes that were made in the window frame to fit the screws, or even the plastic that the screws are connected to could be reused by a self install system.

    Has anybody tried that before?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Both holes are unlikely to align perfectly but maybe the replacement sensor could cover both. If not you may be able to carefully fill with silicone and gently sand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm thinking of a possible situation where Phonewatch and another supplier buy in the same make/model of sensor and then add their own software to them to make them compatible with their systems. Or is that too hopeful?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Dtoffee


    I notice most Smart Home Alarms come with remote entry keyfobs, do you have the option not to use them and enter your home using a time delay and the keypad on the control panel ?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    In the case of Ajax, yes you can do that. (Or use your phone or smart watch or tag or card)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Hi all,


    Just pulled the trigger on an Ajax Hub 2 Plus and a few sensors that I will add to over time.

    I'm ok for wiring in ethernet and wifi, but what SIM cards from what suppliers are you all using? This hub can add two SIM cards and I'm thinking to have one each from two different networks as I live in a chronic reception area.

    The hub I am getting takes 2G/3G/4G cards if that makes a difference.

    Cheers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Unless you know your broadband will be terrible I reckon one sim is enough. I have the hub 2 plus I have one sim in it which is LycaMobile. I topped it up when installing and ran on 4G only for the first month and then broadband. i was messing around sending tons of pics of “intruders” tiling the house when testing out the sensors remotely at the beginning which probably used the most data. I topped up with €20, got 10 free I think and I still have €14.88, installed it 6 months ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Get an iot sim, dirt cheap and nit locked to any network, so unless all 3 networks go down, you should always have a connection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Sound, cheers for that. Any particular plan you went on our do you have to program the Ajax hub with APN settings. Sorry for all the questions!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    What's an IoT SIM? I know the letters meaning but is there a difference from a normal SIM?

    It's not a case of a network going down, it's just really problematic getting signal here.

    Thankfully the hub can be placed up high in the house rather than where the old alarm controller is so I might have some chance.

    The internet is solid enough here though. Only had a few days outage in years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    You just type in data.lycamobile.ie and then the username is lmie and the password is plus.

    You need to enable the option to “disable network check with operator”

    very straightforward. No need for a plan in fairness their rates are decent… world sim or IOT sim is of course another option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Cheers again! I'd prefer not to have to top up by X amount every month to keep the SIM active though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    I haven’t topped up since setting it up to be fair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    That'll do me!

    Thanks so much. I'm not objecting to the money as such. It's just having to remember topping up at set intervals. And I know you could set a reminder or schedule a top up but with something like a security system you'd want to take as much human intervention out of the mix as possible.

    I'm a big fan of the Swiss cheese model of accidents. I've seen it too often in real life where multiple things just had to line up perfectly and boom!

    Thanks for your time. It's appreciated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    No prob. You can also set up auto top up but I haven’t bothered




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Lyca mobile it is. Their website kept failing on checkout. Down to Dealz for a SIM it was. €1.50 if it doesn't work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Hub up and running, SIM kind of working with these settings. Thanks for all your help @Pete123456

    If Roaming is unticked then I can't send a text to get the balance and showing as unconnected in the hub overview.

    Not sure can it do data yet. I might have to get on to Lyca to enable it. Odd it's stating unknown number. We're on the right track though!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Good stuff, mine is ticked, as is “ignore network registration error”… mine also says unknown number but it makes no difference!. Glad you got sorted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Cheers man! Looks like data woke up over night and I see some traffic logged.


    Love the Ajax hub so far and looking forward to adding to it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    It’s very good to be fair, but kinda like Apple stuff - once it’s set up you don’t really mess with it cause it just works



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Addictive too though. I've found myself breaking the plan and buying more gadgets earlier than I thought to.

    I especially like the fact you can add the RTSP streams from existing cameras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭mel123


    Hi All

    Im still reading backwards, but it looks like Ajax is a winner here so im going to research. As a rough guide, how much would this system cost me (as i said i need to research it exactly). Average 3 bed semi, just a rough cost.

    Second question, is there a good time to buy? Is anywhere known for summer sales, black Friday sales etc?

    Thanks in advance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    Have a look on Megateh or similar and you can price up a system - usually if you create an account you’ll get a discount or they can do up an offer for you. Depending on how much you spend they might knock more off.

    just depends on how many and which type of sensors, which hub, whether you want add ons like alarms or fobs etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭theintern


    Just wanted to share recent experience on this.

    I priced up an Ajax system on the usual sites, and then looked at homesecure. They do install for €49 and then €30 a month monitoring. But you can cancel your contract after a year and pay them 400 to keep the equipment.

    They installed approx 900-1000 euro worth of equipment (keypad, hub, sensors etc), so if I break the contract I'll pay 800 for the year of monitoring plus the equipment, plus a year of monitoring, plus professional installation.

    Am I missing something here? Because it seems like this is a better deal than self monitoring and installation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Could be - What exactly did they install - how many keypads, sensors, external alarm etc?

    And do you get the codes assigned to you after you break the contract so you can admin it (add more sensors etc) and monitor it yourself? ta.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭theintern


    Hub 2 Plus, keypad, 4 DoorProtect, 2 DoorProtect Plus, 2 MotionProtect and an indoor siren.

    I asked about the admin code when I buy the hardware and they said that they provide it on request.

    I'll update here if there are any, but I'm struggling to see the downsides. I can't admin it now, and add pieces or hook it into the home assistant one way integration, but that's not a big deal. The app seems pretty decent to use for a year.

    One piece that was mentioned is that the contract break notice is three months, so that's something to watch out for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,545 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Hi there, planning on ordering an Ajax starter kit from Megateh, to replace an existing PW alarm. Just wondering in terms of hub placement, if it's a Hub 2 Plus (which supports Wifi), should it still optimally be wired to your router, or can you place it anywhere within Wifi range? I'm wondering if I can locate the hub where the old PW control panel was located, and it power can be supplied directly via the mains, rather than via a plug/socket (as the old alarm was wired directly, and there are no sockets nearby).



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