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Looks like it's all settled according to lavrov .....

What good does bombing Russian civilians do to the Ukrainian defensive effort of their country? Honestly?

Other than satisfying your apparent bloodlust for russians

Yes it's called war ,

You know the war started in Ukraine for no other reason than putin wanted it .

Now explain why you don't want to see any Russians getting killed in a war they started ,

I wonder 🤔

This is exactly what I said

I'd be happy to see hundreds of missles to hammer Moscow ,st Petersburg and any other population centers in Russia. But first the Ukrainians need to push to take all of Ukraine back before turning Crimea into Mariupol flatten it

Yes, agreed, but ironically, that's exactly what Putin feared and went to war over. Russian's know and have known for a long time who is stealing the wealth, but unfortunately have been able unable to do anything about it. Putin had driven a coach and four ( and possibly several tanks too) through the Russian Constitution. And once he demolished Khodorfsky, the wealthiest of all the oligarchy's, that was it. No further opposition materialised.

That's been suggested as an endgame proposal quite a few times on this thread. They "gave up" NATO a good while back, Crimea is probably gone and those enclaves might be a small loss. Still a way to go IMO but common ground is starting to emerge. Makes a change to see him not threatening things.

He's nothing left to threaten ,he's gone down invading other countries , sanctions and nuclear weapons ,

Between him and the UN ambassador they have truly become the laughing stock

If you are at war with a country, that means you have to consider everyone in that country as a possible enemy.

Fair enough if like the US in Vietnam you have widespread descent amongst the population then you know some of them are not in favour of the war.

Ah yes the Geneva convention.

How many armies have totally ignored it since it came into being ?

The Germans, Romanians, Soviets totally ignored it on the Eastern Front.

The Japanese thought it was a laugh. And yes I know they hadn't signed up.

Even after WWII and 1949 convention, the Chinese and Vietnamese ignored it.

It was ignored throughout Africa in all their revolutionary wars both by the colonialist signators and the native rebels and in all the succeeding civil wars on that continent.

It was totally ignored in Yugoslavia and by the looks of it it was also in Gulf Wars and Afghanistan when it suited.

And then you reference terrorist attacks when you know that terrorists have never subscribed to the Geneva convention or Hague conventions.

All settled.

Indeed.

And that it's the Ukranians that are doing all the understanding.

Such a predicable script from this man.

This is interesting if not a little scary

Why does Macron keep talking to Putin? He's only legitimising his existence.

Viewing every single citizen of an aggressor country not only makes it disturbingly easy to commit acts of senseless barbarism against non-combatants from that country, but also makes it much more difficult to seek peace and reconciliation, especially any kind of truce. We've seen how eye-for-eye mentality perpetuated itself in the Troubles, featuring 'reprisal' killings of innocent civilians. No-one but knuckle-draggers of either side would think these justified. But, of course, these people were not subscribing to the Geneva Convention.... which leads on to the next point - I very much doubt that the drafters of the Geneva Convention thought that it mean the end of atrocity in war, but there must be a standard to aspire to, no matter how many times it is breached. Every time it is breached, it is no less wrong than the last, and the idea that it should be totally disregarded because armies have paid it no heed in the past is an extraordinarily regressive idea and makes the idea of war even more worrying than it was, if that is possible.

Yes, as we have established, terrorist organisations do not subscribe to the GCs, although we don't accept that as an excuse to do terrible thing despite whatever justification they claim when targeting innocents. We should accept it as even less of an excuse for the uniform bearing official military forces of a country who are supposed to operate by the laws of war. If they do not operate by the laws of war, they will be made to account for that in a court, if captured.

Because he will still be Russian leader (not for long we hope!) and you need dialogue as it can help stop them doing something worse.