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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Poster is fearmongering using hypothetical missiles raining down on russian cities as prelude to his own fantasies of Russians using "WMDs".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like to the UK won't be going to part of any security guarantees for Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    That looks like they want to attract storks to nest on the roofs of the vehicles.

    That has to be p**s take because they aint hiding much from the ground nevermind the air.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    It isn't ok to kill Russian civilians because of the atrocities committed by Russian forces.

    On the other hand it's ridiculous that rules should be adhered to when dealing with Putin, his regime, and his army.

    Suppose the "West" had Putin assassinated, either remotely or by proxy, possibly even by arrangement - who would care?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Well it had me convinced, but then again, I often mistake cars for reindeers at Christmas time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Fooks sake looking at some of the posts here one might actually believe that the soldiers on the battlefields shouldn't be killed because after all most of them don't want to be there, are actually being forced and that the Russian population should not be seen as the enemy because they are all against the war.

    There appears to be this widespread belief that almost the entire Russian population are anti war, but just too afraid to say or do anything.

    Oh and nobody in Russia wants Putin never mind this war.

    That is delusion. Putin has a support base, there are a lot of Russians who dream of returning glory to their country.

    And there are some so entrenched that much like the Germans they will only change their minds when they are faced with utter devastation.

    Putin is another in the long line of Russian/Soviet strong men and for some unknown reason Russians seem to tolerate if not actually like these guys.

    Hell Stalin is still fooking revered by some. STALIN FFS.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh geez, we surely wouldn't want questions asked about whether an action by the Ukrainians was "legitimate".

    **** that. We can all be high-minded and give a **** about international law when we want but fighting the "right" fight still means losing the peace. Russia have wiped a city off the face of the earth, they've shelled nuclear plants, they've killed thousands of civilians and caused millions to flee. Acting the way a country is meant to would mean Ukraine winning with their country absolutely decimated while the drug addict hookers (yup! 🤣) scurry back over the border.

    Again. **** that. Russia have to pay in any way possible. I don't believe the Ukrainians have the firepower to do anything to make me think they were over reacting. That video of a POW being shot? **** him and **** his family. Actually, he would and all for a coupla roubles, just like being home at the barracks. My objection to that video was that someone was stupid enough to make it. Ukraine are still defending themselves and as far as I'm concerned attacking an invader is always fine. Torturing a prisoner? Nah, don't do it and ffs don't record when one tool does it.

    **** Russia, **** their (literal) whore soldiers, **** their commanders, **** Crimea, **** Putin and **** being "good". If I'm on the ground getting beaten up and can do nothing else I'll bite and gouge. Behaviours I usually find fairly contemptable, but needs must. Ukraine is still being destroyed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    China, India, Iran, North Korea, most of the Russian intelligence services/military/parliament and people would all care.

    And sure if its fair game to assassinate a Russian world leader, then its obviously fair game for them to retaliate. Biden perhaps? Von der leyen? Good old Boris?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,509 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This sounds quite plausible. It may be that the disciples are too afraid to tell Putin the truth and are giving him a rosy picture of how the war is going:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Why would they care?

    Dangerous psychopath gone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    20,000 dead... Another reason why anyone with a mindset like Boris, Trump, Putin, Erdogan etc should have their heads removed the moment they utter something that sounds like it might lead to aggressive action. If we get it wrong a couple of times, so be it, better than that alternative. And it might start to make those wanting to be a hard-man reconsider. How can we let this stuff carry-on and on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    He's going to find out May the 9th when the whole parade is going to consist of WW2 Vehicles 😉



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What Putin wants in Ukraine,not Russia,is full control of the country with a puppet president and goverment,so he can continue expanding his new soviet union.

    And Ukraine can never be neutral without security guarantees after this.

    And peacekeepers will not happen,lol,you think anyone wants russian «peacekeepers» after they invaded Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine now in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭circadian


    More like a bunch of old Ladas with mounted rifles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭circadian


    It wouldn't surprise me considering there's been a lot of chatter about supplies and fuel being sold on the black market over the years, resulting in this awful performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Bombing Russian civilians is a bad idea for lots of reasons and it cannot be compared to the bombing of German cities where bombing made a difference to the war effort. There are too many Russians to bomb so you won't degrade their war effort by getting rid of 10 million of them. They'll be replaced immediately. It is a pointless exercise from a military point of view. Even the bombing of Ukrainian civilians is pointless because they won't surrender.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,509 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There appears to have been a major failure of intelligence. They underestimated the Ukrainians to a great degree (probably through their inherent arrogance and racism towards their neighbours) and overestimated the Russian capabilities, not realising their own army was second rate and not fit for purpose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, it would be just like Russia to keep back their latest tech just for the parade...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Tends to happen a lot in autocratic states




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Where to start...

    Firstly, the idea that we can dispense with only targeting combatants in a war is an incredibly slippery slope. The line '...but everyone and anyone that could offer support to that government and military' I find chilling because 'could' is pretty much anyone. Small infants could grow up to support the war if it goes on long enough, therefore they should be killed, going by the logic of 'everyone and anyone that could offer support'.

    Just because armies don't always respect the Geneva Conventions doesn't make them irrelevant. They were created to, at the very least, set a standard of conduct that might help prevent terrible atrocities. A lot of the warfare we have seen in the 21st century has been irregular - insurgent groups and fundamentalists and so forth. Such groups do not respect such documents as the Geneva Conventions. Groups like Al Qaeda have considered themselves to be at war with the entire Western establishment and have deliberately targeted innocent civilians. Osama Bin Laden gave many speeches on his justification for Al Qaeda's actions, but we still do not regard such events as 7/7 as anything other than a terrible crime, and certainly no legitimate act of war.

    And, no, those Ukrainians who've just had their houses blown up may not object to the same happening to people in Russia, but there's a reason we don't usually allow such people to conduct military planning. Their decisions may be a bit hasty and rash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Good piece here in the WP about Russian logistics and their issues during this war




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,306 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sort of a partnership. One will provide the energy and raw materials the other will make the goods and sell the goods 70% cheaper to the other 80% of the world.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thankfully it looks like there are adults in charge of Ukraine.

    If I looked back on your posts would I find you condemning any Taliban or ISIS terrorist attacks? What's the difference? Are ISIS or the Taliban righteous in their war against the West when they attack civilians - do you respect ISIS?

    If the Ukraine attacked Russian citizens do you think it's possible the citizens of Western countries would be wondering why are we giving military support to a regime killing women and children (Russia would love to put bodies of dead children on the world media)?

    Deep breath, step away from the keyboard and think...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No just Russians facing the consequences of their war on Ukraine,

    Or is this it's ok because the Russians say they are only denazifing Ukraine ,

    So it's all good as long as it's not Russians getting bombed in their beds and hospitals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Jesus lads that Geneva convention is really working in Ukraine.

    International red cross hq in Mariupol after being Bombed by Russia..

    .

    Screenshot_20220330-171810_Instagram.jpg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    From the Guardian:

    Russian president Vladimir Putin’s approval ratings surged in March to levels not seen in five years as the war in Ukraine enters its second month, according to an independent survey published Wednesday.

    According to the Levada Center, which is Russia’s main independent pollster, Putin’s job approval grew to 83% in March from 71% in February. The last time Putin reached similar approval ratings was in 2017, prior to the introduction of an unpopular pension reform that raised the country’s retirement age.

    The past month also saw increases in Russians’ trust for the country’s defence minister Sergei Shoigu, foreign minister Sergei Lavrov and the country’s ruling party United Russia, the pollster said.

    The share of those who said Russia is moving in the right direction has also grown to 69%, a jump of 17% from the month before.

    Independent sociologists have questioned the logic of polling public opinion in a country where information about the war is carefully curated by state television which has portrayed the country’s invasion of Ukraine as a defensive “special military operation” aimed at “de-nazifying” Kyiv. Sociologists have also said respondents in the country could be afraid to tell pollsters they are opposed to the war. Russia’s parliament earlier this month passed a far-reaching law imposing a jail term of up to 15 years for spreading intentionally “fake” news about the military.

    Still, the latest Levada polling appears to indicate that the Kremlin has so far managed to galvanize support for its invasion of the country.

    The Levada Centre has not released a poll of public opinion specifically on the war since the conflict began. Plans to publish results of an earlier poll were scrapped by the centre’s employees because of concerns that their results would promote the intensification of the conflict. State-run opinion polls have indicated that around 70% support the country’s actions in Ukraine.



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