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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    There are absolutely no indications that are being reintroduced. So I don't know where you getting masks back for indoors by the weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Covid restrictions are not there to make some feel better about their perceived courteous behaviour/"aren't I good!" virtue-signalling. No more than they are a solution to personal anxieties.

    Wear your mask if you wish, but no-one is asking you to, and most don't care I'd suggest as evidenced by the majority who are getting on quite happily without them. This obsession with trying to control behaviour of others and bothering oneself with what they are/aren't doing is unhealthy!

    The Government went with the advice from TOny Holohan and NPHET who said (and continue to say) that restrictions were no longer required given where we are with Covid. Why is that advice, which we've been told all along we should listen to, suddenly no longer good enough?

    Finally, the message from Government has been remarkably consistent (for once!) that there is no need or plan to reintroduce restrictions. The only ones that seem to be calling for it are unions, the likes of RTE (who have made a fortune off the back of Covid), or noisy social media types. Everyone else seems to have moved on.

    Again, wear your mask if you want to, for whatever reason you want to... but stop worrying about what others are/aren't doing because they're just as entitled to make their own decisions too.



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Listen, I know how they work; I did the ESRI Covid surveys tracker (the famous worry meter) for a good while myself when I'd time to kill. They're full of loaded questions, and surveys by their nature will end up hitting a good percentage of people with a lot of time on their hands, again I know this from experience. I'm not bothered by covid now so I don't do their surveys, there's no point of me doing them. If you don't spend your day thinking about masks, good chance you're not going to be ar*ed to vote on polls for them.

    And again, CB Live messed up another Covid poll a few months back, put up the wrong figures, hastily deleted their tweet and said no more. Polls aren't above interference, bias, misreporting, not hitting demographics, etc. The poll is vastly different to the experience that we are seeing all around us, even the celebrity experts wanting them agree they're not being worn. There is nothing like 65% wearing them in any setting - so unless people are wanting them legal but yet not wearing them, then the poll is not exactly representable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Incorrect... from the RTE link previously...

    The poll was carried out on Monday among a sample of 1,000 adults participating on their smartphones for tonight's Claire Byrne Live programme, which will be broadcast at 10:35pm on RTÉ One and RTÉ Player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    I don't buy that at all....the only way to gauge the public opinion, in any measurable way, is by polling. The polling seems to suggest the majority would like to see more enforced mask wearing. You are claiming 'fake news' so the media can sell some ad's. You're whole argument that the majority do not want to see more enforced mask wearing hangs on the argument that the only measurable numbers are fake. Like I said, I don't buy it.

    Your other argument, that if people were in favor of masks you would see them wearing them... well we all see what we want to see, I am just back from the shop, I saw loads of people wearing masks in there. Again, the best way to measure sentiment is to poll people. If you don't believe the polls then of course you can make up any statement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Apologies, I was wrong, I always hear hem talk about IPSOS polls and Amarach research group when they mention the polling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    We're both right :) It was run by Amarach but a poll of CB viewers :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭Allinall


    It’s wasn’t a poll of CB viewers.

    It was a poll of 1,000 people participating on their smart phones, carried out for the CB show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭nomoedoe


    And here’s me thinking the mask advocate lads couldn’t get any stranger!

    You called them a moron and then made a disgusting comment like that about them,i wonder would you say that to their face?,i doubt it very much as its a lot easier to hide behind a keyboard at 2am on a Tuesday morning making comments like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    "Link dumps add nothing."

    Once again having a go at my posts when I link something as dumps. You just can't help yourself.

    My posts with links in them have sparked plenty of debate. So back off referring to them as adding nothing.

    Also have any of my "link dumps" been misinformation? where by they might endanger someone's life? No.

    I recall you posting "link dumps" which were misinfromation on the other hand. Think about it.

    Keep asking those questions to me though because clearly I'm interested.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy



    Wrong example.

    The braking effect of masks on covid spread is entirely established as fact.

    That we have chosen to allow covid to spread far far faster and deeper than other places is irrelevant.

    Google multivariate maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    A lot of your posts seem to be twitter links or articles with no commentary or opinion from yourself - I stand to be corrected on this, but as far as I'm aware that's against the posting rules.

    Regardless, your links have indeed been debated (as you seem unwilling/unable?) to do so and will no doubt continue to be so long as is necessary.

    If you're similarly unwilling/unable to answer questions put to you then that's fair enough, but I'd suggest your posts will be viewed accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    "Common sense", "decency"; there it is - the crux of the mandatory mask argument; no need for science, just do it for the symbolic gesture and how it makes you feel. From my perspective, you can wear six masks if you like, live and let live.

    As for the 1812 overture while masturbating reference, have you cameras in my apartment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You mean you have no such indications.

    I'm hearing differently from my FFG friends.

    The Emergency Department Task force has asked for precisely that from the HSE.

    The public health advisory team, which is to say the normal functionaries under the CMO when there is no standing NPHET, are going to recommend to the Minister within 48 hours that indoor mask wearing, hand sanitisation and management of numbers be renewed before the weekend and there'll be some sort of Government announcement either by the Taoiseach or the three leaders on Thursday or Friday evening.

    Stay tuned ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Care to provide a source for that? Otherwise it's meaningless waffle.

    If this was true, in that timeline, I'd expect it to already have been leaked to the Indo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    "My cousin's labrador's groomer's second aunt, once removed's, cat's orthodontist's, mistress' fishmonger knows people in FFG and the army will be out to enforce mask wearing at the pubs this weekend. You heard it here first."

    Your post reads like that to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Nope, he's not right.

    Total strawman from Cuddihy. I would doubt that physics nor maths are his strong suit.

    Large cohort of vulnerable and elderly are going out/going out less at present because of the dangerous maskless slackers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Attacking the man, not the statement.

    "Maskless slackers".

    Can you not resort to personal attacks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Seems like they can't, the last few posts have been word for word the same post an anonymous twitter account....


    For what it's worth while I'm here, wear a mask or don't, I really don't care, personal responsibility was called for long enough. Whatever choice someone makes to wear one or not is their choice, not my business really.



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is that the level of discourse now? How are these types allowed abuse people not breaking any sort of rule like this?

    'dangerous maskless slackers'. Let's break that down.

    Dangerous? Wrong. On so many levels. Not disregarding any rules or PH advice.

    Maskless? I'll give you that, they are maskless. Well done on that observation.

    Slackers? Wrong. The maskless are generally the ones going about their lives, working, keeping businesses going. Not crying from home 'won't somebody wear a mask!!'

    So 1/3 there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,979 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_



    That's not the point he was making though is it?

    You're claiming that the survey shows a majority wanting a return of mandatory mask wearing. This doesn't square with the empirical evidence which is the point that was made.

    As for "slackers" - is it fair then to call mask-wearers "obsessives"? I'll answer that for you - of course not! Petty name-calling has no place in the discussion.

    I'll continue to say it - wear your mask if you wish, but you have no entitlement to expect anyone else to feel/act the same as you do. People should and will do what is right for them. It's as sinmple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Thats not what they're saying

    It seems contrary to the facts and the current statements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,764 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    If your going to post waffle at least tell us when the emergency powers are being voted through the Dail ?

    You know the one's that would be needed to do any of that, what are your FFG friends saying there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Name calling and insults appear to be allowed here if from one side of the argument it would appear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Keep reporting, that's what I have been doing. The extremists are the ones calling for restrictions at this point in time and need to be deplatformed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Oh dear, Seanie's arguments are merely copy and paste jobs 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Had an inkling this might happen with the pressure on

    Terrible timing if true when we're almost out of it

    Will set a precedent for backtracking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    Donnally today has been quoted as saying the advice he has received is that no new restrictions need to be implemented. I suspect you might be waffling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    If the hospitals get them now they'll back again in winter looking for them

    Meanwhile the hospitals still won't be fit for purpose



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They don't expire until Thursday, they will be renewed on the nod during that day's sitting.

    Stay tuned.



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