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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Another voice of reason --

    https://youtu.be/KCRYG7Z48Vk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like Russia has pegged the Rouble to Gold



    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,137 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Losing men and equipment is never part of the plan. The Russians thought that Ukraine would surrender essentially after a few days in the face of big losses and what they believed to be overwhelming force.

    It's unlikely he cares much for the lost men, but he certainly cares about the loss of military prestige that this campaign has delivered for him. Almost everyone believed that the Russian army had modernised into a competent fighting force, but that has been shown to be utterly false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Despite all the times I read about it today (first time I've seen it), this does not come across nearly as bad as I thought. It's directed at Germany and Hungary and possibly there's a bit lost in translation.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Then we offer them 15,000 euro to move to Limerick



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Noticed this a few times with him (while I admire his public speaking) but shaming countries to the whole world is more likely to alienate them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Good article on the battle between the Russian and Ukrainian air forces in the sky. Says its the first time since the first Gulf War in 1991 that fighter jets have been actually dog fighting in the sky




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 allgoodboss





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,605 ✭✭✭valoren


    Better to remain at home and be thought a powerful armed force than to invade Ukraine and remove all doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    100% Agree.


    Especially the Theater attack................it was shown on Western TV world to be a place where people where sheltering from the war.

    A couple of days later,there was a direct hit on that Theater.

    Western TV are inadvertently giving good intel to Russia

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Longing


    Well actually I took it has a rallying speech. Stand up against Satan - evil (Putin). Because if Putin wins, We know we didn't act has one. His people face living under tyranny other wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭maebee


    How many generals is that now? Looks like they've lost more Generals in a month in Ukraine than they lost in 10 years in Afghanistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's always interesting to listen to Yannis speak, and I don't take much issue with most of his points - he's entitled to his opinion, as he himself says, anyway. Just on a couple of things, though - to say that the West's interest in Ukraine is mostly strategic is to state something that's perhaps true of every significant war in history, i.e. that each side involved has strategic interests which they're either trying to defend or increase. By contrasting between the appeal to the emotion of the individual and the emotionally detached interests of the state, you're not pointing out a hypocrisy that is unique to the West, but one that exists for all sides in war since time immemorial. Therefore, if one is to accept war is happening, then this hypocrisy must be accepted also.

    On NATO, I would have been on board with the idea of Ukraine dropping NATO membership as a term for a peace deal with Russia, but because Russia have already ripped up the Bucharest memorandum and waged war on Ukraine, it is understandable that Ukraine will want some sort of security guarantee which is more steadfast than Russia super-duper pinky swearing never to invade again. I think the only things that would deter Russia from invading Ukraine again, if it suited to do so, would be either facing a direct confrontation with NATO or else a heavily militarised Ukraine well able to bloody Russia's nose. Russia has stated that they want Ukraine out of NATO and de-militarised. If Russia gets both, where is Ukraine's security guarantee? At best, it would be on paper, but in reality would be down to the whim of whatever tyrant is running Russia at any particular time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    but because Russia have already ripped up the Bucharest memorandum and waged war on Ukraine, it is understandable that Ukraine will want some sort of security guarantee which is more steadfast than Russia super-duper pinky swearing never to invade again

    Ukraine had those guarantees in 1994, and as much as I hate to say it, it was more that the Muscovites who let them down by invading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    And you get a unicorn, and you get a unicorn....

    Typical low IQ stuff. Ukraine keep their 'sovereignty' by having two masters. No solution for Crimea 'kick it into the long grass', apart from the fact that occupying Crimea means Ukraine can never exploit their natural offshore resources. No NATO and demilitarized, Putin pinky swears he won't be back. Putin is clearly a man of principle and you can take his promises to the bank.

    I'll never get those few minutes of my life back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @briany - Russia has stated that they want Ukraine out of NATO and de-militarised. If Russia gets both, where is Ukraine's security guarantee? At best, it would be on paper, but in reality would be down to the whim of whatever tyrant is running Russia at any particular time.


    They should get neither.

    It's the choice of Ukraine as to what and whom they join and all this previous crap posted about what the USA would do if missiles were sited in Mexico is absolute nonsense. Even if Ukraine were to join Nato you certainly wouldn't see the immediate siting of deadly weapons within its borders.

    It's all Putin paranoia. He has thousands of nuclear warheads that can be launched within minutes to all parts of the world. If (and it would never happen) Ukraine dared to invade or threaten Russia, Putin could wipe them off the map within the hour. And he knows this.

    This is a land grab, pure and simple. Putin wanting to go down in history as the man who restored the empire to its former glory. And this was step one. He's as evil as Hitler and it needs to be explained to him by a consortium of countries - in no uncertain terms - that to continue with this war, and/or start others, and fire WILL be met with fire.

    Sanctions or no sanctions, the bottom line is that when this is eventually over there will be no guarantees that he wont invade Ukraine or other countries in the future... or even follow through on his veiled nuclear threats. But in the meantime thousands have died a needless death and a country is being destroyed. All for what? To appease a paranoid dictator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,610 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I think it's a case that putin and the top brass are suffering from the "does my arse look big in this" syndrome.

    When the question was asked about their readiness for war all the trembling underlings said " Oh god no you look lovely in that dress .Actually I'd say you lost a few pounds!" Now that they have entered their " special military operation get the **** out of here phase:" let's hope putin is strung up before too long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Seems Sofia's version of Yuri Filatov announced that people in Bulgaria don't support Ukraine : he got his answer from the Bulgarian public pronto (I bet that didn't make the news on Channel One in Moscow).




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    It probably does sound ridiculous but so was the decision to invade.

    It wouldn't surprise me if it actually does pan out as he thinks it could.

    Don't forget, there may be an unspoken understanding that "what suffices until Putin is gone will suffice long enough" - in other words, "the umbrella is for the reign".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    ukraine was not currently an existential threat to Russia, and look what the world is ignoring


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    And happened while the Defense Minister was enjoying his annual Summer Holiday in Siberia

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What suffices until Putin is gone would probably rest on the assumption that whoever succeeds Putin would be relatively reasonable, but it would be an error to think that way.

    Ukraine needs long term, cast iron security guarantees that insulate it from this type of victimisation in the future, not half measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Probably the poorest country in the world and the last out post of Marxism.


    It's not a threat but to it's own people..



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Meh, there are 12 year olds with phones and imovie that make better more polished tat than that. His papier mache rocket a joke. A silly little fat manchild shouting look at MEEEE! If there were ever any broad agreement to be found among sides in this time of conflict and doubt, I would be willing bet it would be found in the statement that the sooner that wee piglet shíts himself to death on his gold plated toilet after one too many pizzas the better for the world and his people.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And in Russia, you can't even question it...( well you can, if you don't mind serving up to 15 years in prison for "Fake News regarding the military in Ukraine, but I guess that covers Russian military activity any where in the world??? )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    A half measure, right now, that cools down Putin, may well be an excellent approach.

    Putin's successor is going to be quite busy rebuilding the country and therefore more amenable to securing trade in return for non-aggression assurances.



  • Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unusual decision. It will probably kill more Lithuanians than foreign invaders.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle. I also need a curry chips, two battered sausages, a deep fried pizza and a two litre bottle of Club orange."



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