How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

No disagreement from me there, Kaiden Happy Mouthpiece. Our individual analyses of why that fear might exist could well differ, but I fully accept that it is a real fear for many.

I'm in full support of outreach beyond the bare minimum needed to get 50% +1 support and for protections in place for parts of Unionist culture akin to how I would've liked NI to have embraced support and protections in place for parts of Irish culture.

I'd like to think that in the 21st century, the misrule that occurred in NI couldn't happen again in a modern Western democracy, but if I felt like the proposal for Unification was essentially just the abused becoming the abuser, it would lose my support.

Given your background, I'd be very interested in your perspective on how you would propose that we address that concern?

"You guys left the family"

This the heart of the delusion and the dishonesty.

Your sectarian logic is Hilarious. You can be Irish if all of Ireland is in the UK but if part of Ireland or all of Ireland is not you can't be Irish?

I’ll also avoid the comment on little old Ireland chugging along (you aren’t wearing rose tinted glasses by chance?)

what happened in ni is not what concerns me as the is fairly universal agreement that many things were got wrong. What is more concerning is the blindspot (demonstrated again in your post) of the treatment of the minority in Roi for most of the 100 years.

Relative to Brexit chaos across the UK, NI with a collapsed Executive (again), looking at social progress, upwards economic mobility and general economic health, I don't think, 'chugging along' is a rose-tinted overstating of how things are in Ireland, Downcow. Chugging along is hardly painting a Utopian Paradise type of picture, it's just that: chugging along. Certainly we have our problems like any country, but relative to the UK, and in particular NI, yup we're chugging along just fine.

Your constant attempts to paint anything that happened in Ireland as comparable to the complete systemic disgrace that was NI has been debunked repeatedly on here, so I won't get drawn into that again. You've even ignored the point I made to try and weasel in that completely invalid, purely Ulster Unionist propaganda invented to assuage your community's guilt for what did happen in NI (you know, the bit you're apparently not concerned by).

Rest assured though, no matter how much I disagree with you and no matter what false narrative you try to push to normalise what happened, I'll never support a United Ireland that would just represent the shoe on the other foot for your side of the NI population.

That was quite a spin on you original post. You were absolutely not talking about how Ireland is doing now. You were talking about 400 years ago. You were more than a little disingenuous in your reply

this is what you said originally.

“The only bit you're missing is little old Ireland chugging along before your lot showed up,”

still just as rediculous that I don’t need to point out the issues 400 years ago

Ah no, fair enough Downcow I was mixing up points there. Where is the arbitrary 400 year cutoff point coming from though?

To be clear, that point was in response to your one:

My point was quite straightforward; you've picked a completely arbitrary point to say we were all living in the UK and on the island of Ireland, I was merely pointing out that before your lot showed up, we were chugging along. Your planters didn't create Ireland (no matter what nonsense revisionism you try to add). Before we were all living in the UK and on the island of Ireland, the Irish were already here living on the island of Ireland.

A better description might have been, 'we were all Irish on the island of Ireland before our neighbouring country decided that they'd land over, attempt to demean and dehumanise the local population and claim what belonged to others as their own, and when that wasn't acceptable any more, that neighbouring country decided to carve off a bit of this island so they could continue to demean and dehumanise the native population.....but if you come back to the abusive relationship, sure we'll pretend it is all sunshine and rainbows, even though that neighbouring country still clearly doesn't even give the shiniest of turds about the populace they left over here'.

Then again, if I'm not mistaken you previously tried to justify how the British Empire raped India by pointing out that they'd left a few railway lines behind (oblivious to the fact that the native populace paid for that and all), so I probably shouldn't expect any sort of realistic introspect.

Apologies for not being clear in my rebuttal, it's a work day and I wasn't paying as much attention as I should've and thought we were discussing more modern affairs, mea culpa.

The border has been rolled back, into the Irish Sea where it should be and will remain. 😉

Charles and Camilla on a peaceful and welcoming trip in Waterford yesterday and our Minister of Foreign Affairs evacuated because of a threat in Belfast and it is us who have the integration problem?

That would be probable paedophile, Lord Mountbatten you're sympathising with? Why would Charles hold an entire country responsible for what happened to him?

I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about people hating all the English for the actions of their official state forces, yet here you are suggesting it would be understandable for Charles to hold the entire Irish nation responsible or in contempt for the actions of an illegal paramilitary group.

Perhaps we'd all do better ascribing guilt just to responsible parties?

Your posts are deteriorating Fionn. I didn’t expect this from you.

you said I ““previously tried to justify how the British Empire raped India by pointing out that they'd left a few railway lines behind”.” I certainly said or implied no such thing.

do you want me to go back through the boards and find where you previously tried to justify how the ira raped their community by pointing out that they’d left some good stuff behind?

…and if my challenge to you to provide a wee list of nations whose borders and peoples have not been affected by wars and battles is too difficult, then just admit nothing unusual happened in Ireland instead of turning back on the big bad brits

Wishful thinking in the extreme. Northern Ireland remains a tribally divided society as evidenced by the parties they vote for up there and the absurd things they spend their time arguing about. UI is a neat idea for the future but I doubt whether if the Republic is ready and able to cope with the problems NI would bring at the moment.