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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You are kidding. 😂 The man has an atomic powered reality distortion field that's for sure.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do feel sorry for the interpreters covering these live speeches. Sky news just had Putin translated as saying.. "... they even cancelled Joe Rogan, who wrote children's books enjoyed by millions throughout the world, because of comments about gender equality."

    At least I assume it was a translation error.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭indioblack


    Why choose to make a comparison with the UK?

    All you've said is that 10,000 are expected - they haven't been welcomed yet.

    The British response regarding refugees has received much criticism within the UK.

    Regardless of the government's sluggishness in this matter, there is considerable support and practical aid from the people.

    Unnecessary comments fron a generally well respected poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Yeah, because he has time to analyse situation in each country in full detail. He needs to focus on this war at hand and needs weapons urgently. I fully support his efforts. He is fighting for the whole world peace. Your rant is no better than criticising him for wearing a T-shirt in video calls. Get your priorities right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Sky news just had Putin translated as saying.. "... they even cancelled Joe Rogan, who wrote children's books enjoyed by millions throughout the world, because of comments about gender equality.........



    That Joe Rogan classic : Harry Pothead and the philosophers stoned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Also, if you look at the context of what he said to other countries, it's not clear at all that it's a criticism or if so, to what degree:

    France, Emmanuel [Macron], I really believe that you will be for us. Slovenia is for us. Slovakia — for us. The Czech Republic is for us. Romania knows what dignity is, so it will stand for us at the crucial moment. Bulgaria stands for us. Greece, I believe, stands with us. Germany … a little later. Portugal — well, almost … Croatia stands for us. Sweden — yellow and blue should always stand together. Finland — I know you are with us. The Netherlands stands for the rational, so we’ll find common ground. Malta — I believe we will succeed. Denmark — I believe we will succeed.

    He continued: “Luxembourg — we understand each other. Cyprus — I really believe you are with us. Italy — thank you for your support! Spain — we’ll find common ground. Belgium — we will find arguments. Austria, together with Ukrainians, it is an opportunity for you. I’m sure of it. Ireland — well, almost.”

    (My emphasis)

    He appears to have noticed a few countries in addition to Ireland that aren't quite there yet, and reading between the lines, a number seem further away in his mind than Ireland. Given his situation, I'd be inclined to go easy on the judgements, and remember that Eastern Europeans tend in my experience to be quite blunt and tiptoe around things a lot less than we do.

    It also seems that the context is Ukraine's quick accession to the EU rather than a question of military or humanitarian aid.

    There seem to be two common responses to his comments:

    (1) Abuse because he went off script and failed to tell the Irish how wonderful we are. (Is there a Ukrainian word for "plámás"?) 🙂

    (2) Rage at the perceived threat to the neutrality sacred cow.

    Or a mix of both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    It is also the fact that Central (including Germany) and East Europeans are direct people, while Westerners are indirect people. I am a Pole so his way od speaking is the most right and effective way, even if it might feel like a rude one to indirect people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Dashcam footage is the answer to anyone claiming that the Russians haven't produced anything of value in the last 30 years...

    😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Zelensky is using his brand (which is, right now, 100% the biggest and most powerful brand in the Western world) as leverage. He's looking to the consumers of his brand (us) to force our governments into more and deeper support for Ukraine on all levels - sanctions, humanitarian, military aid, financial, EU membership.

    And fair play to him. He is doing exactly the right thing for his country. If any people listening to his message don't like it, tough luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Ironic considering the Stalinism he so loves was the Nirvana of cancel culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Tony Connelly was saying on the News at One that Irish foreign affairs officials are not even entirely clear about what aspect of help Zelensky might have been referring to, but overall nobody seems too put out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    If Fallout 3 had driving it would look like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Indeed, I'm struck by how direct and blunt he is - but then again, his city is being bombed daily and there are plenty of people who want him dead, so he has every right to be blunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Sometimes translations can be helpful. I was so embarrassed with Walesa's speeches back then, yet translated they didn't sound that bad. But we were always waiting in front of TV in anguish for his next gaffe in live speech.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Because they're our nearest neighbour and have been praised by the Ukrainians and we're apparently not doing quite enough? Because they've been a clearing house and slush fund despository for dirty Russian money for decades with the support of their government and their banking system? Along with Cyprus and Switzerland they're among the worst in Europe for this and the Swiss of all people were quicker to act on dirty Russian money? That their current Tory government has got quite a bit of funding from the same dirty Russian money? That the government took their time sanctioning their well dug in local oligarchs? Yes the British people support and want to help Ukrainian refugees and want to sanction the Russian pirates among them. I was talking about the British government, not the British people(though enough of them in England voted for Brexit on the back of no more Eastern Europeans) and if the British people hadn't applied pressure I doubt that much pressure would have come from within .

    Oh and 10,000 Ukrainian refugees are already in Ireland with our welcome mats out. With more to come.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Russia have now updated their official statistics


    The Russian army says 1,351 soldiers killed in Ukraine — AFP

    Up from around 530 when they last reported.



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  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    I’m sure they’re about as accurate as a Russian election count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil



    The Ukrainian media inform about the death of the Russian commander from the Southern Military District, Gen. Yakov Rezancew



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I thought it was Jesionka (where POTUS' plane just landed).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ukraine has pretty much zero chance of losing this fight. Russia lost the second the first jackboot crossed the border. In more ways than one.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I do agree with you but I think NATO would have gotten away with an early intervention of some sort, they could have tried to sell it as an "inert buffer presence", a phrase I would have disseminated via the press. A phrase worked wonders in establishing the current ethos.

    In hindsight I think the Russian red lines were initially bluster, but now?, who knows?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    Mariupol; Aleppo, Mosul, Sarajevo, the list if cities destroyed like this in the last 30 years is very very long.

    Hard to think of all the technological advances made in that time at the same time as listening to stunted minds like Putin's whine about JKRowling and Hollywood not recognising the Red Armies contribution to defeating Nazi Germany.

    Post this conflict, anyone with a hint of thinking along the Trump, Putin, Erdoğan lines, off with their heads immediately, no second chances. One incorrectly avoided dictator is far better than 1000s of bodies in mass graves in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The funny thing is Ukraine inherited a better aircraft carrier and then sold it to China for a pretty Penny ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,114 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    Providing weapons is orders of magnitude more useful than providing ambulances. The body armour is probably the most useful thing Irealnd has done in concrete terms. Looking for lashings of praise from Zelenskyy for hosting a tiny handful of refugees is unreasonable. his priority is to stop people from dying or becoming refugees in the first place.

    Were I in his position I would be thinking exactly the same; Irealnd has been minimally helpful, whereas the UK, irrespective of its faults and guilt, has made a massive difference to Ukraine regarding their ability to defend their country and fight back. It shouldn't be lost on people what the implications of them currently training Ukrainians in Poland to operate the Star Sabre leading edge air defence system are. Once they are up to speed, Ukraine looks to get some very sharp air defence teeeth, something more usefull than 10,000 ambulances.

    When I donated to Ukraine, it was for bullets, not bandages, because offensive weaponry has a huge multiplier way above it's cost in terms of preventing or eliminating the need for bandages. Every single anti tank round likely has the potential to prevent a large number of refugees from being created.

    Ireland should have handed over offensive weaponry, in preference to ambulances and a few beds and hot cuppas. My opinion is that neutrality is a cute way of spelling moral cowardice. I am sure it's an unpopular opinion in Ireland, but I don't have a problem with people disliking me or my opinions.

    This all reminds me I really should dig a bit deeper and send more bullets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    It still gives a pretty crazy high lower bound on the number of deaths. I mean we know it is lower than the true number and likely a lot lower than the true number but 1300 kills is still a big number.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We haven't really did much for them other than sending ten tons of MREs and some body armor



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