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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    And after the war all the Germans were saying "Ich bin kein Nazi".

    Will all the Russians be saying "Ich bin kein Putinista" soon......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    If the Ukrainians retake Kherson that will be a massive victory for them and a huge blow to the Russians. It would demonstrate clearly that the Russians are going to have serious difficulty holding anything they take in the Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    here it is ready it yourself


    Price per MT

    : U$D 885 (Eight hundred and seventy five US Dollar) FOB Rotterdam

    Contract Duration 12 months

    I know its from 2013 but its not likely to have changed much apart from price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Yes they certainly do because of fluctuations in currency and precisely the reasons i brought up.


    By the way i found a more recent contract 2021


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    It is certainly in dollars.


    And he should accept it in dollars ...china will trade with russia and he can use them ..or he can keep them ..china is NOT going to accept roubles ...and there is no use keeping them for a few years.


    Maybe you are right horse battery you think its for the stage in russia ?? to look like he is doing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Listening to my local radio station in Donegal here, the idiot presenting the show going on about the terrible crisis in Ukraine, condemning Russian actions but then the buts come into play...

    But Ukraine and the US were clearly provoking Russia into this situation by Ukraine flirting with nato and holding war games with them, nato trying to expand eastwards ect.

    This presenter would not be the contrarian type you describe, but is still parroting back some of this rubbish as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Mixed reports about Vladimir Zjirinovski ...

    Some outlets saying he died of covid .... Please let it be true...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    They are starting to back away from Putin. Are the rats preparing to desert the ship.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Did the Russian Stock market go ahead and open yesterday? How badly did it do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems to be plenty of Photos and videos of unexploded Russian

    misssles in Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I am no fan of EU and it's federalist drive and would have been no fan of some of the shyte that the US got up to over the years in the likes of Chile, Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc, but I wasn't dumb enough to believe that the good old USSR were anything but a despotic regime that totally subjugated everyone anywhere they got their hands on.

    I have to say the EU has stepped up, but I do think a lot of that is down to the Eastern European and former soviet and Warsaw pact countries who have led the way much like the case with FIFA.

    These countries know only too well what Soviet (for the most part Russian) domination was like and they have no desire to see the return of something similar.

    I do find their are two weird cohorts of people at play here.

    One hates anything US, British, NATO and would have been old soviet fanboys/girls.

    I think the likes of Wallace and Daly fall into this category.

    This cohort often ties in with modern very liberal social agendas and if anything make rights activists look really bad.

    Then there is another cohort of recent arrivals on the scene who buy into all the Brexit, Trump bullcrap which would have been tied into Putin and these people parrot the absolute shyte pedaled on social media and even on the likes of Fox news and RT.

    This cohort tie in with conservative people, anti wholesale immigration proponents, anti islamist, anti modern "woke" agenda (by woke I mean the ones that think we can pick a gender by the day or that want to change language to be all inclusive mullarkey - manhole is now personhole, pregnant persons, etc) and end up making them look like neo nazis and tools.

    You get strange bedfellows that would still support Putin just because he is anti current US, EU, NATO, etc.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Well I think it is important to understand why Russia might have made the decisions it has made; and also if the West could have done anything different. But yeah often it feels a lot like people are trying to somehow paint Russia as being "forced" into invading which is clearly nonsense.

    I think also some people are probably just trying to appear to be objective by "looking at the other side" in a rather shallow kind of way; even if they don't necessarily believe what they're saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Actually it went quite good. +15% approx, but no shorting was allowed and no sales/purchases for foreign people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Putin made the decision to invade because he knows that the Ukraine are getting closer to the West and potentially were looking to join the EU. NATO is a smokescreen, its a great bogeyman to wave in front of the Russian Public from the USSR days but the danger to Putin and his cronies is the EU. If the Ukraine started to improve the quality of life for their citizens it would highlight very quickly to the Russians that they were being ripped off and conned by their mafioso Government.

    The performance of the Russian military highlights this, it has been hollowed out by corruption. The equipment is sub-standard, hasn't been maintained but I'm sure there were budgets for that but given the way things work in Russia everyone has taken "their share" and what's left isn't adequate to do the job. As they say the fish rots from the head, this is endemic of the way the Russian government works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,548 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's inevitable.

    The one thing Putin always did well was he projected an air of infallibility, propped up with a brazen don't care attitude.

    That's charade is gone, he is nearly 70, fleeting and he has authorised decisions that will effect his country for at least a generation.

    There has been a noticeable change in Ukrainian tactics this week, largely down to the fact that they are now receiving vast amounts of munitions with a steady supply of more coming.

    He is fighting an experienced army now backed up by rage and weaponry whilst simultaneously getting battered in an economic war.

    You are going to see a lot more rats legging it in the weeks and months ahead.

    There was never going to be a winner in this, just a sliding scale of mammoth loses.





  • It's very spineless to be honest. We are country that had to fight hard against an oppressor and now we have weapons we are unlikely to use apart from maybe training exercises.

    I'm not buying this neutral BS coming from the Govt. It looks very bad especially when we have USAF flights coming through Shannon.

    Just give them the arms ffs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Sorry! J-Town is what the US troops have re-named Jaroslaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    while nuclear is horrible theres an argument that MADS is a deterrent for wars and violence itself. this is really pushing the theory but its possibly true. a rogue state was always going to develop nuclear at some stage. and like alot of our current strife its a direct consequence of WW2.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bollocks. Over 10,000 Ukrainians and thousands more are expected and welcomed by Ireland and her people. The Irish people the vast majority of whom 100% support Ukraine and have come forward in big numbers to help and support Ukrainians coming here. Ukrainian men women and children have been welcomed into this country, given housing, medical cover, money and social support to tide them over during this tragedy and unlike the UK who've taken fúck all by comparison and took their time to do so Ukrainain folks didn't need visas to come here. Yet he's been fulsome with praise for the British because they gave him weapons, yet happily harbour and continue to harbour Russian dirty money for decades, even elevating crooked Russians to their peerage in exchange for dirty money? Read the room Zelenskyy, get better PR advice, or frankly fúck off with yourself.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the change in Ukrainian tactics is more to do with time and what they can do. I don't think the most optimistic expected a month in for this to be the position. The convoy outside Kyiv has got to look like something from a zombie film at this stage. Ukraine have been able to leave them out to starve and freeze but now they can start attacking a bit more. The lack of news is a little frustrating but at the same time why take 10s of thousands of prisoners either back to a city which will be under siege or have to transport them when you can just not take them prisoner and they're no threat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo



    And I hate this modern notion continously pedaled that the Allies should not have done the bombings of German cities, especially the likes of Dresden and Hamburg.

    After all they were just the German people and combatants.

    Some spanners label it as war crimes.

    There is this continous thing about how Dresden was not a contributor to the war effort.

    Dresden was actually a warning to Stalin.

    It also turned out to be the perfect raid and everything worked for the Allies.

    That is why it was so devastating.

    Anyway to parapharase Basil Fawlty, they started it.

    Who the feck started the bombing of cities, did they not try to level London, Birmingham, Coventry, etc?

    Did they not level cities like Warsaw, Stalingrad, etc ?

    We continously hear about the good Germans, but when you look at that famous photo of the workers giving the Nazi salute there is only one man refusing to do so.

    Yeah none of them were a Nazi.

    I saw a program the other night where they looked at one of the chief Nazis, Albert Speer, who managed through his mild manner, civilised demeanor, education and connections to avoid the hangmans noose.

    That fooker, often labelled as the "good nazi", was responsible for the deaths of thousands of slave labourers.

    If you are war with a country you are at war with the people, not just a select few in government and on the battlefield, because the people are the ones keeping the government in power and the ones on the battlefield supplied and supported.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Wow, that's a very emotional response.

    Zelesnky is doing his best to squeeze the absolute maximum support out of the Western allies and is using all the tools at his disposal to do so. And frankly I can't blame him one bit. He's right too, we can do more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I mean first of all he was talking specifically about support for Ukraine joining the EU; nothing to do with weapons or any other thing certain posters have been fixated on. And I'm pretty sure Ireland have been consistently advocating for a more rapid process for Ukraine to be able to join; so I have no idea what he's talking about in that context either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Well if European countries who buy from them do not get gas, Russia will get nothing from them. Ends the decision about what to do about more gradually/safely weakening Russia's chokehold over their gas supplies if Russia go down that route. The pain of it would just have to be dealt with as best as can be, and it can be blamed by the politicians on Putin/Russia for cutting off the gas supply (as it should be, given he started a war with/invaded Ukraine and fired first shots of a Cold War 2.0).

    As far as I understand it, they'll be a while getting the infrastructure together to sell these gas supplies to others as well so in meantime they get nothing unless like of China buy it on tick (edit: meant pay in advance...so Russia is one owing them) or something + give them money to make good their losses on energy trade with Europe with an expectation of gas in future when infrastructure is ready.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Don’t underestimate how much two loud Irish MEPs are impacting our image abroad.

    We only have 11 MEPs and two of them are taking stances that are often read as blatantly pro Russia. That’s a rather big % and could very easily be getting picked up as far more significant than it actually is.

    His ambassador’s concerns about the large Russian owner alumina plant we host were also rather brushed aside by the mainstream of Irish politics this week too.

    But if you didn’t know a hell of a lot about the nuances of Irish politics, saw a some of that stuff and the rather odd “neutral” stance and the refusal to supply weapons etc … easy enough to draw a conclusion that we are an outlier and fence sitting.

    He’s speaking from a position of being in the middle of a war and invasion, I don’t necessarily think he’s going to be aware of the nuances of our domestic politics.



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