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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    My take on the Russian is that they are not bad people at all (apart from the hawkish pro-Putin, pro war loons with Zs on their cars etc). But they have become very sheep like and docile, it seems there is virtually nothing that can rise them out of their slumber. It's not a normal society in any shape or form. Everyone keeping their head down, nobody going against authority, nobody organising demonstrations or active resistance to the regime. Even the Belarussians seem to have far more spark and fire in them.



  • Posts: 391 [Deleted User]


    It is not weird, from the Russian point of view. Russia's understanding of an existential risk to its survival doesn't have to conform with your understanding.

    The Russian mindset is that a hostile force advancing from the eastern Ukrainian steppe towards Astrakahn, and then taking it, would be game over for the survival of the Russian state. This would deprive Russia of access to the Caucuses, the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, and its most fertile farmland. Within living memory, a coalition of western armies (Germany, Hungary, Romania, Italy) tried to do just that. You will undoubtedly retort that this is rubbish, nonsense, BS, doesn't apply today etc.,; nevertheless it is foremost in the minds of Russian military planners.

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mariupol is the key for him now, once that falls they will roll up behind the Donbas frontline and then call for a ceasefire imo. It fulfils the land bridge objective, secures the Donbas and once the Azov are destroyed he can claim the denazification was a success. Maybe they will make a final push for Kharkiv and Odessa too.

    How to save Mariupol should be a major question at the moment. It's relentless defence has saved the country so far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I don't want Nestle to provide baby food to Russians, when 126 Ukrainian children have been murdered and 158 wounded, and that's not even touching on that 1.5 million have been made refugees outside Ukraine with a slightly lower number within.

    Sanctions are supposed to hurt, and that's what most people should want.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Nobody in Europe or the western world wants to push on towards astrakhan. Just want Ukraine to be left in peace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,467 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Good analysis, but even such a ceasefire would leave the regime as a pariah state. There's no way the sanctions, flight bans and sporting bans would be lifted in that scenario (as the regime has absolutely zero right to have a single Russian soldier in Mariupol, a Ukrainian city). I guess though it will remain a total pariah state as long as Putin is alive, no matter what the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Talk about bad design. The ammo storage in Russian tanks is pathetic. It appears they will go off with nearly every hit. This is the most violent one I've seen so far.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08



    According to this....

    Russia lost half of its combat-ready pilots in Ukraine.

    A well-known Ukrainian political scientist and presenter Taras Berezovets writes about this in his blog on Telegram

    On March 22, the Ukrainian army reached an important record in the confrontation with the Russian army - the 100th aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces was shot down, which bombed the civilian population. As of today, March 23, losses in the equipment of the Russian Aerospace Forces are estimated at 101 aircraft and 124 helicopters. And this is just for a month of war with Ukraine.

    He noted that the training of one high-class pilot in Russia takes about 7 years and requires $8 million. Thus, the losses of the Russian Federation in Ukraine in aviation alone exceeded $800 million. And this is without taking into account the cost of destroyed fighters, attack aircraft and bombers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It's in the Kremlin's interests to build Johnson up as an "anti-Russian" element in an attempt to eclipse how useful he and the Tory government in general have been to them. If he gets outed as a Russian asset, especially now, there might be a focus on getting to the UK to hurry up and cut off the UK's local Russian oligarchs instead of hiding behind "legal delays" that have been bying those oligarchs time to sell up and leave.

    He's been by far their most useful idiot in Europe, but getting them to come out and call him the most active "anti-Russian leader", might be a little too on-the-nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,099 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    American and British tanks keep their ammo stored behind blast doors. If the tank gets struck, there's a better chance of the ammo not getting struck as well. Russian tanks leave their ammo stacked on the floor of the tank, so far more like to catch damage and explode.



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  • Well they sure seem to be working fast! How will Putin react.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    That would be my assessment as well. For the internal audience he could claim the Ukrainian Nazis have been dealt with and then package the withdrawal via the compliant media in Russia.

    That's providing we're dealing with a coherent and logical Putin. He could continue on with this disasterus venture still.

    Personally I think the West should be doing far more to end this illegal invasion now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's like when they decided to mount the fuel tanks for their BTR armoured personal carriers on it's back doors where troops had to disembark ,one hit and everyone inside went up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    It just demonstrates the contempt that the Russian hierarchy hold for their frontline troops to send them into harm's way in those deathtraps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    From the Guardian:

    The Biden administration and European Union are expected to announce a major initiative to direct shipments of liquefied natural gas to Europe during the US president’s visit to Brussels this week, according to US officials familiar with the plan.

    The announcement would come as European officials have asked the US to do more to help them cut their dependence on Russian energy sources.

    President Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, said an agreement would be announced as soon as Friday. According to one US official, it is intended to ensure supplies of American natural gas and hydrogen for Europe.

    Sullivan told reporters aboard Air Force One on Wednesday:


    A major priority for both the president and his European allies is to reduce the dependence of Europe on Russian gas, full stop, and the practical road map for how to do that -- what steps have to be taken, what the United States can contribute, what Europe has to do itself.

    Speaking to EU lawmakers in Brussels on Wednesday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said all EU members “can contribute in reducing our dependency on Russian gas”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    it is foremost in the minds of Russian military planners.

    No it isn't. They're highly rational technocrats who know full well that nobody in the West has a notion of doing anything like that. They understand full well that full-scale war between NATO and Russia if it ever came to that (assuming it was confined to 'conventional' weapons) would be fought mainly in the air with American warplanes blowing Russia's military infrastructure to smithereens to ensure the country was effectively defeated before any NATO tanks got anywhere near the steppes.



  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The last week or two I've seen a few different bits of Russian equipment and Jesus it looks like it was designed and built over 40 years in sheds by someone new finding it every few years and doing what they think the next step should be. Bits of metal on the inside nailed into place with sharp edges sticking out, the kind of shortcuts necessary in emergencies or w/e but in new equipment. There was an article posted on the thread yesterday by some retired yank miltary guy saying he hopped in one of the new Russian tanks in the 90s they were super proud of and he wasn't impressed. Small, cramped, poor sightlines all round etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    instead of joining the EU, Ukraine could join the UK

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    But...but...but I thought Johnson was a Russian "asset"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Why are you assuming that NATO would feel the need to attack Russian forces outside Ukraine ???



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    The Biden administration and European Union are expected to announce a major initiative to direct shipments of liquefied natural gas to Europe during the US president’s visit to Brussels this week, according to US officials familiar with the plan.

    Terrible English, should have reorganised the sentence thus:

    The Biden administration and European Union are expected to announce a major initiative during the US president’s visit to Brussels this week to direct shipments of liquefied natural gas to Europe, according to US officials familiar with the plan.

    Unless all these shipments are genuinely going to be carried out this week, in which case, as you were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Yeah I posted up the thread earlier about why Russian fatalities were so high. Here is where he described looking at the T80...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The problem with making statements like "we aren't being given the whole picture" is technically accurate; but more often than not used by people to take one of those "both sides" stances. It's also used by people who are indeed supporters of Russia to imply the West is lying or being deliberately deceptive or whatever else they want to claim.

    The reality is that much of what is being reported in the Western media is fairly accurate; or at least is an accurate reporting of what various defence and intelligence officials are saying. Is it often biased to some degree? I mean sure; because for just about anyone without an anti-US or anti-Western viewpoint there are a number of truths about the current situation which are fairly self evident and it is clear the West is broadly supportive of Ukraine. Hardly anything overly surprising there.

    We're also getting a fairly accurate picture of the types of things being broadcast by Russian state media to its citizens. Plenty of clips can be found which corroborate that.

    So which exact part of the picture are you claiming we're not being given?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Jesus, the problem with the success of Ukranian propaganda and the incompetence of Russia is that people are now coming up with the sort of mad stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I'm not assuming that but Tomalak was positing a situation of all-out (but short of nuclear) war between NATO and Russia, however things escalated to that point, and talking about Russian military planners preparing for tanks rolling east across the steppes in that scenario. I was pointing out that would not be such a war would unfold, and the Russian generals know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    To be fair it's also possible it was a self-inflicted wound; none of the footage is really consistent with a ballistic missile strike.

    Ukraine unfortunately have very little control of the air, land, or sea in the south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    He's talking out of both sides of his mouth. Assisting the defence but giving the oligarchs plenty of time to move their loot to safety and evade sanction. Still, it is good if he's helping, because the weapons will have an effect sooner than the sanctions will.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,460 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @Bayonet don't post in this thread again

    There have been so many mod notes warning not to bring Trump into the discussion in this thread as it's completely off topic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,099 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Always remember watching this video about the experience of an American soldier in Vietnam.

    Given the scale of destruction being inflicted on the Russian troops in such a short time, I can only imagine their experience is similar. Most of their troops are conscripts on $75 a month, are they really prepared to deal with a determined enemy armed with deadly weapons who are going to fight like hell to protect their country?

    We've been told the Russians have barely moved in weeks. My guess is that they are terrified to get into vehicles and advance into enemy held territory where there's a good chance their vehicle will be destroyed by a few Ukrainian lads hiding with anti-tank weapons. It's going to take a huge effort to rally these demoralized troops again and get them on the offensive. Putin is surely going to need help here. Either the Chinese to back them with more weapons, Belarus to join the fight, or else Putin needs to draft more conscripts and dig in for a war that could last another year.

    Either way, it's a mess for Putin. I still think the likely scenario here is a negotiated peace deal.



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