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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The Ukrainians fear that Belarusian armoured forces will invade and go towards Lviv.


    If face-to-face combat goes that near the Polish border and a missile fired by Russian or Belarusian forces goes in a certain direction .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I roared laughing @Wibbs - I saw it on my YT feed - naturally iv been watching a lot of stuff on the war - so 'recommended for me'

    my initial reaction

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    followed by

    gervais.gif

    I mean its beyond pathetic - Can you imagine the mental state of people in a meeting. Of 'Western Aimed Propaganda' - signing off - on that

    'Yes. That will Definitely Konvince those Western fools Komrade - Good work - You now receive 'Hero of Soviet Union Russian Federation'

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Going back quite awhile, a poster mentioned that his Russian wife had a guaranteed and fool proof way to end the war, overnight. Her solution? Offer every soldier an EU passport......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    "If they respond with nuclear missiles then NATO responds in kind

    Yes, thousands would be killed but if we don't stop Putler then millions will die"

    If they respond with nuclear and NATO responds in kind that thousands can have several zeros added onto the end of it on both sides.

    Millions would die in a nuclear war and worse still, it's highly likely those who survive would be envious of those who didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Any apparent collapse of the Russian state, especially Russian security forces, would be a calamity. Rogue missile commanders, rogue missile sites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,857 ✭✭✭threeball


    "We've never seen this, not since WW2, maybe not even then." Daft prick never heard of Aleppo did he. On his watch and did nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08



    Today, Lachlan visited a group of young Ukrainian cyclists who have had to flee their homes and are now being hosted by the Polish cycling federation.

    etween the ages of 14 and 17, most of them have had to move there alone leaving parents and older siblings behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭maebee


    Someone suggested a few days ago that this thread should be re-named and I agree. I can't remember the suggestion details but it really should be changed from "Russia" to "Russian invasion of Ukraine". This thread is about nothing other than the Russian invasion of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Why do they still call him "Mr. President "?

    He first says former President when introducing, but then addressee him directly as Mr. President, not the first time I've seen that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,118 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's pretty standard to address former presidents as, "Mr. President".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Would second that, then have another thread called Russia which could be a general Russian non invasion thread which contains 0 posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    As predicted that Russian paper which released Russian MOD figures of military deaths (almost 10k) has quickly retracted the article and claimed it was "hacked".

    At least now we have an idea of how many Russian casualties there have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,118 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sometimes we divert into opining on why Russia is the way it is and political developments in Russia. Obviously the invasion of Ukraine will dominate the thread, though. I don't think anyone's clicking on the thread expecting to find us in the middle of a discussion about the situation in the Caucuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I'm kind of just waffling here and not putting significant thought into it or how things would change I suppose (and maybe I should shut up, as its very off topic...) but first it doesn't all have to come back.Also on unemployment/availability of workers, perhaps not here (Ireland) but thought there were some European countries with large amounts of persistent unemployment (haven't checked rates though) + also under-employment in areas. Even in US, alot of not so great lower skilled jobs that maybe keep people employed, but aren't particularly productive (could a machine do them?), are insecure and do not pay very well. I think any manufacturing stuff that comes back from China/India or the like is not going to operate in the way it did when it moved there (or how it works now). It will be more automated first because it is new investment and that is the way the world is going anyway and also because workers are going to be somewhat dearer and as you point out in shorter supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The way the Russian army is behaving I'd say that even now, command and control if far from 100%. And as time goes on and things get worse for the invaders ( and get worse they will. ) Troop control will deteriorate...drunken officer's do not command respect, never mind confidence. So while I hope that Missile sites are under stricter control, I would not like to bet my life on it either even in the present time's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I doubt the Russians have any intention any more of striking out for Ukraine's western frontiers (if they ever did) and if the Belarussians proposed that on their own bat they would very likely discourage them. I'm sure the Russian commanders on the ground at least realise Lviv would be several bridges too far...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    There's an odd echo in there of an anecdote by George W. Bush. He said in an interview that he never saw eye to eye with Putin. When Putin visited them he scorned Bush's little pet Scottish Terrier 'Barney'. A year later Bush was in Moscow and Putin brought in this enormous hound and said 'bigger, stronger and faster than 'Barney''. Bush puts it pretty plainly, Putin has a massive chip on his shoulder. It makes you wonder if he had a hand in this himself. It's not very subtle how some of the dogs are overweight, bored, undisciplined and fighting amongst themselves while the 'Russian' dog is obedient and pristine! What a bunch of jerks behind this.

    Putin must be apoplectic at the disastrous incompetence of the Russian army being broadcast day after day. I think he has clear narcissistic traits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    It seems to me to be some kind of diversion, probably not an actual invasion force. It forces Ukraine to move troops to the west away from Kyiv whether they actually attack or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Does it though, in any major way? My impression is local partisans in each area are doing the bulk of the fighting for the Ukranians...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The problem is that a number of Belarus units have been pictured with new markings of either a red square or red triangle similar to the Russian Z/V markings. It could be just mind-games or purely defensive in nature I suppose; but who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Because a medical doctor has never been a psychopath and/or broken their oaths? Not that you even need to be a psychopath to make threats like that really; honestly seems rather tame as far as the spectrum of nastiness we've seen so far in this conflict goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    A thing a lot of people seemed to miss in the early days was that the remains of a military vehicle which has been allowed to burn uncontrollably often doesn't contain what people can readily identify as bodies. The bodies are instead charred and shattered bones covered in black ash.

    Assuming Russia's figures are accurate I also wonder if if they count the missing or just those confirmed dead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I don't really get why anyone is surprised to be honest.

    Even in the West with all of the widely and freely available sources and resources at their fingertips there are large swathes of people who constantly parrot the same inaccurate talking points about "MSM" and "leftists" and "cancel culture" and "Nazis" and "far-right" and every other bloody thing.

    So just imagine what it must be like when your entire country, every social media platform, every pub/workplace/whatever is just full of the same echo-chambers repeating the same crap about Russia and the West. You would actually need to go very far out of your way to find any conflicting view points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Of course you can automate stuff but will people buy it for that price as automation ain’t cheap. Even if exact process was done in Europe or US the cost of product would be 10-15 times the cost if minimum wage was paid and you had workers willing to work 9-9 6 days a week. Automation would cost more.

    Unemployment in US is 3-4% and 6-7% in Europe that is with a population about 1bn working half the hours they do in China where you have the majority of workforce producing good for export out of a population that is 1.5bn and if you include India you can add another 1.3bn….. even with automation you would struggle for workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,118 ✭✭✭✭briany


    A complete narcissist. His lack of humility would be equally disturbing and bemusing to those of us in the West because we recognise it as an pretext to a particularly pronounced kind of tyranny.

    There used to be a show on a channel called NTV that was launched during the Yeltsin years. It was called Puppets and was extremely similar to Spitting Image. It sent up prominent Russian people, including Putin. Shortly after Putin came into power, he had the head of NTV thrown in jail. Supposedly, the show bothered Putin tremendously, especially its parody of him.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,847 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump is right, how wrong it is for the world to watch on as innocent children, and adults gets slaughtered. History will not look kindly on that.

    Trump said he would used fighter jets, give them to Ukraine, but also said he'd use drones to take out russian targets.


    Biden is fearful of doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Even a broken clock is correct twice a day, maybe he's on to something with lowering the price of oil ???

    Didn't realise he redesigned submarines and nuclear weapons, I'm both shocked and awed

    Why am I thinking "Flash Gordon's father, out for the day" ?



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The refusal to help ukraine with stopping russian air attacks will reflect v.badly long term on the west imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    And we've priced ourselves into a nasty little box too because the cost of living and average wage in many parts of the West is so high that to actually...

    • Find land for a new warehouse/factory.
    • Build the new warehouse/factory.
    • Equip the new warehouse/factory.
    • Bootstrap the workforce for the new warehouse/factory.

    ... would require vast amounts of capital investment before even a single product rolls of the production line.

    It's an awful shame companies were ever allowed to build entirely proprietary devices and actively encouraged to plan for obsolescence whilst discouraging the repair of said products. We may yet come to seriously regret consistently selling to the lowest bidder and rarely if ever considering long-term consequences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭liamtech


    He literally says nothing - babbling incoherence

    Try to pin him down on something - its impossible -

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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