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F1 2022 - Round 1: Bahrain

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,248 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Indeed, I am sure they will get it right at some point and be back fighting for points but I think by the time they do get it sorted they will be a significant amount of points behind.

    Additionally, while they are spending time and resources trying to fix a fundamental problem, RB and Ferrari (and others) will be looking to add improvements to their already better solutions - so not only are Merc playing catch up now, they are going to be well behind in the arms race moving forward.

    I just can't see how they can make up more than .5 a lap to get to the base level of the other cars quickly, never mind overtaking them from a dev perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭quokula


    As nice as the story is, realistically the Haas wouldn't be as good as it is without Uralkali funding the development of the new car. It was always the plan to sacrifice 2021 and focus on 2022 and this was a plan the Mazepins were on board with. Obviously Magnussen is faster than Nikita, but he'd still have been at the back of the grid in last year's Haas just like he was in 2020, and probably again this year if the team had kept its drivers and continued to trundle along without a big sponsor.

    They're not fast because they're free of Uralkali, they're fast because they developed a strong car. Getting out of the contract at the same time is a convenient coincidence. They will most likely be left behind in the development race over the year if they don't get a new sponsor on board, so fingers crossed that they do. I suspect they will as the sport's popularity is through the roof now compared to a couple of years ago, especially in the US.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    The McLaren understeers like ****, they look dead in the water. You can literally see Norris works his tyres out L51 and they die within a few laps and eventually is slower than the cars around him at the end. Between that and their overheating issues, there is no silver lining for them. At least Aston does know what their issue is and can work towards it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭quokula


    I do wonder, seeing all the Merc customers at the bottom and the works team running that unique no-sidepod design, if Mercedes focused their engine development on adapting the power unit to this new packaging and the customer teams have been caught by surprise with something that has a higher centre of gravity and isn't packaged in the way they expect. During the Aston Martin launch they were talking about how they had the option of taking the Mercedes suspension but they chose not to because they needed to get on with developing their car and wouldn't know the Mercedes suspension design until it was too late to integrate with their aero philosophy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭lolie


    What has world champion got to do with it, all I see is two drivers who fought a great battle for the lead congratulate each other afterwards.

    Looking forward to a year long battle between the 2 of them.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 724 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    The two lads had some epic battles in there karting days. Looking forward to more of it this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,076 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The had some lovely clean fighting in that race. Hope we see loads more of that.

    The video was great to seen. Nice sportsmanship. There was a bit of needle in it too. Max was careful to tell him all the reasons his car was slowed down -subtext being "I'd have had you without those reliability issues". But that's absolutely fine.

    I'd doubt it will stay so friendly if they go on to be genuine title rivals, but that's only natural.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    I felt there was a lot less team radio, that can't be a bad thing.


    I always enjoyed reading the forums and twitter after races but it's tiresome now with the whinging fans latching on to out of context snippets of team radio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Joeface


    I have a feeling there will be Three involved . Sainz was a bit behind this weekend but His wheel to wheel is very good also , and we all know he will be in the mix over the next few races


    And Mercedes now targeting Imola for upgrades so who knows we might get more .( Race number 4)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭quokula


    Sainz beat Leclerc last year and I feel he definitely has the edge in a midfield car with lots of wheel to wheel racing to be done and incidents to avoid. In clean air at the front though he might have more difficulty as Leclerc has fairly consistently shown himself to be a touch faster over a lap. He should certainly be closer though, there's a lot less between him and Leclerc than there is between Verstappen and Perez though this race didn't show it. I can imagine races where Sainz is running a close third and able to do something on an alternate strategy as Max and Charles push each other into pitstops and undercut attempts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭quokula



    That's a confusing headline. I've read that whole article and they have direct quotes from team members saying the retirement was due to the standard fuel pump, a thorough explanation of known issues with it, concerns about it being faulty that arose over the weekend and FIA acknowledgement of issues with it. But then there's just a throwaway line "Motorsport.com understands that none of the standard supplied pumps across the two cars were the cause of the retirements" with no explanation or quote or evidence to back it up. They seem to be basing it on a quote prior to the race where Horner said they checked the pump for faults after qualifying and they were ok?

    It seems at odds with other reports, e.g. Craig Scarborough who is about the most reliable source out there on technical info described the problem in great detail with Peter Windsor during their podcast. Not only did he identify the fuel pump, but he described exactly how and why it failed. Prolonged exposure to the E10 fuel caused the casing on the electronics to corrode away exposing electrics and causing a short circuit which killed the pump.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Oh absolutely. They needed the money for sure. But I think the Mazepins assumed their position was sacred and wouldn't have conceived they'd be kicked out the way they did.

    If Nikita was in that car, Mick's result would've been their highest of the weekend.

    And just look how happy the team seemed when KMag was back. Mazepin didn't seem like much of a team player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,048 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,742 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    You have got to love Guenther. He's interviewed on This show. And you get to see more of Naomi's presenting skills/talent - she's a breathe of fresh air.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVjQ-kXE30


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,653 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    And here is the view of everybody's favourite Sky Sports pundit.


    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,211 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I liked it too when pre-race when Natalie Pinkham spoke with Charles, she mentioned a battle with Max and how he was a driver who doesn't yield.

    Charles was quick to point out that he doesn't either.

    I'm happy for Charles, he has kind of done his time to earn this.

    I'd rather if we saw a 3 way battle now between the teams, Merc are bound to improve.

    I don't think Perez, Sainz and Russell are good enough to mount a full on challenge this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,048 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If we have a Charles vs Max championship with battles like yesterday, we are in for a treat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Sainz scored more points than Leclerc last year. Leclerc is maybe faster over a lap but Sainz is more experienced, more consistent and is less crash prone imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Points don't tell the whole story. Charles beat Sainz convincingly not only in quali, but also in races finished ahead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    In 2018 Vettel won two of the first three races for Ferrari yet Hamilton won the title by one hundred points. It's much too early to determine if this is anything than another false dawn for the Scuderia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Alfa and Haas, Ferrari powered cars in points. Only Mick Schumacher (11th) didn't score points with Ferrari power.


    Aston Martin, Williams, McLaren were the 6 lapped cars when the SC came out. All Merc powered cars.


    Too early to say, but it's a remarkable start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Helmet camera footage of LeClerc vs Max battling through first few corners is amazing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,076 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Big disappointed came when Ferrari returned after the summer break in Hungary with a new floor and took a huge step backwards. I was at that race with the topsy-turvy quali. Lewis won by a country mile and could have won by 2 country miles if he wasn't pacing himself.

    The new Ferrari floor was the problem and it took them 5 races to figure it out! Lewis had won the title by then. Total balls of a team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    What? Sainz scored more points. The championship isn’t decided by who had the best quali performance or best race performance. Charles is faster in quali which will help but he was still beaten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Gru


    Not sure if this was mentioned before but the fastest race lap was a good few seconds off the best quali lap. Usually the race tends towards the quali times over the race from what I recall over the previous few years. Presume its a setup difference (I'm sure it was mentioned that the ride height is different for the race itself). Or just a larger portion of fuel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Tyres at the end after safety, may have been cooler too. Heating them seems to be a big issue.


    Jeddah could be even more chaotic then last time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Well generally it certainly is decided by who had the best race performances. Kubica scored more points than Russel when they were team mates. Does that mean he was the better driver?

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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ultimately, it is all about points. Charles may have won at Monte Carlo last year if he didn't end up in the barrier in Q3 that forced him to not even start the race. While Sainz maximised by finishing P2.

    Ferrari will be telling Charles that he is very fast but he needs to iron out all those silly errors that cost him so many points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    It was hardly his fault that the team didn't spot the drive shaft issue that led to his DNS. It also wasn't his fault that Stroll torpedoed him out of the Hungarian Grand Prix.



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