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Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,422 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    That's a story from our 911 truthers group who spammed a whole bunch of sites with it. Some actually ran it, like that construction blog, probably for filler or clicks. They even managed to sneak some of their quackery into a scientific journal (and the editor had to resign after)

    9/11 was a terrorist attack, that's taught in schools all over the world. If you believe something else involving secret Nazi's happened, okay, feel free to share it. Other people can make up their mind if it's plausible.

    Or not. Up to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 650 ✭✭✭ Cheerful S



    The total building collapse of seven is not thought in schools and universities, very wrong.

    I and many genuine people be curious why seven collapsed when It’s never happened anytime in history before. You are disgusted people claim demolition for it. Yet have no standing or authority say people are not right here.

    Why that is matey

    Collapse mechanism never happened before anywhere due to fire! We have seen this mechanism of collapse with controlled demolition.

    Institute of mechanical engineers has 120,000 members and siad this and its fact.

    Write "NIST hypothesised this “never seen before” collapse mechanism to explain the collapse thereby making WTC7 the first high rise steel building in history to collapse from fire alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    Isn’t there a whole sub forum for this crap?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,422 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    Yup, it's pretty dead, so Cheerful tries to resurrect it all this stuff once a year elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭ goldenmick



    @Fighting Tao - Isn’t there a whole sub forum asylum for this crap?


    Fixed that for ye.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    How could you have "seen this before" when this is the first time in history a building was secretly demolished using nanothermite?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Anyone else find it funny that the only conspiracy theorists still arguing are now claiming that all space flight is fake and that 9/11 was done by 16 guys over a weekend are examples of "credible" conspiracy theories?


    Proves the point pretty good I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭ The Nal


    Apparently its credible that 3 or 4 guys rigged the towers with enough explosives over one weekend.

    Still my faveourite theory Ive seen on here.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭ robinph


    Presumably there was a whole network of people who had come up with the idea and hired them to do the demolition in the first place... And had coordinated the plan with the other team of Saudis who were going to be flying the planes so that the two attacks happened at the same time.


    Strange that the team behind the explosive demolition never came forward to claim responsibility for their part of the attack, as seperate to the airborne attack. Seems like a lot of effort to do something that is highly likely to be discovered, but then to have no reason for having blown up building 7 and let others take the "credit" for your work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    That was something @CQD claimed I believe. @Cheerful S claims it was a team of 16 guys using super secret nanothermite contained in a gel form and sprayed all over the building:

    Also, both require that Larry Silverstein must have been one of these 3 or 16 people.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭ CQD


    Yeah, planes caused them to collapse..



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,422 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    Yeah, secret magic silent explosives perfectly coordinated with terrorist attacks caused all those buildings to collapse..

    Oh and welcome back to the forum, what happened to all the Covid conspiracies?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Yup. It's the only explanation that actually makes sense.

    Your claim that they were rigged by 3 people using secret silent explosives does not make sense and is not plausible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,296 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob




  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭ goldenmick



    @Cheerful S - I think I take your advice to spend time off this chat. More important things currently happening are important like Ukraine. JFK and 9/11 stuff are all done for now. 


    Always happy to help...





  • Registered Users Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭ martingriff


    I never thought I would find a video as bad as the Westboro Baptist Church spoof of Mandy called Sandy about the hurricane but there it is



  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ Joe Don Dante


    The C.I.A wrote The Scorpions song "Wind of Change"



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭ Dr. Bre


    Lol why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭ Hoop66


    Because they were better songwriters than The Scorpions? They've been behind all the best hits


    Holland, Dulles, Holland

    Lennon & Helms

    Jagger & Bush



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭ cml387


    While on a musical theme, it turns out that those who suspected that the first live broadcast of a nightingale accompanying a musician, broadcast live on radio by the BBC in 1924 was a fake were correct:

    The Cello and the nightingale (link)



  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭ Joe Don Dante


    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/may/15/wind-of-change-did-the-cia-write-the-cold-wars-biggest-anthem



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭ Fighting Tao


    That one has been top of CT’ist lists right up to 2920 when Covid knocked it down to 2nd place. There have been thousands of posts about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭ celtic_oz


    Michio Kaku who is typically wheeled out on US TV to refute the UFO conspiracy theory, flips .. interesting




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,817 ✭✭✭ $hifty


    Currently credible conspiracy theories coming from across the pond:

    Trump tried to overthrow the election

    Trump pressured the electors not to certify the results, so he could cling to power

    Trump replaced the heads of the secret service and DHS (and possibly similar staff in the pentagon) after the election, before the attempted coup, so he could prepare for the coup

    The texts which might prove / disprove any attempted coup have been erased, under orders from Trump's appointees, at his behest


    All pretty credible, with multiple avenues of interest and an orgy of evidence (bar the missing texts, of course). No vague shadowy figures, no illuminati, no second shooter, no mysterious 'they'........ Just a bunch of bad faith actors with previous for this sorta thing.

    And where are all our resident 'skeptics' when it comes to this matter? Why all the radio silence? Thought you guys questioned everything?



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭ Tonesjones


    Pre knowledge of 9/11

    In the days running up to 9/11 there was unusual trading activity on the two airlines with planes that were hijacked and crashed. An extraordinary amount of trading

    "Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange recorded purchases of 4,744 "put" option contracts in UAL and 396 call options. On September 10, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings, with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. No other airline companies had an unusual put to call ratio in the days leading up to the attacks"

    optimus prime



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,422 ✭✭✭✭ Dohnjoe


    This was investigated by the FBI and the SEC and was found to be innocuous

    "

    The UAL trading on September 6 is a good example. On that day alone, the UAL put

    option volume was much higher than any surrounding day and exceeded the call option

    volume by more than 20 times—highly suspicious numbers on their face.170 The SEC

    quickly discovered, however, that a single U.S. investment adviser had purchased 95

    percent of the UAL put option volume for the day. The investment adviser certainly did

    not fit the profile of an al Qaeda operative: it was based in the United States, registered

    with the SEC, and managed several hedge funds with $5.3 billion under management. In

    interviews by the SEC, both the CEO of the adviser and the trader who executed the trade

    explained that they—and not any client—made the decision to buy the put as part of a

    trading strategy based on a bearish view of the airline industry. They held bearish views

    for a number of reasons, including recently released on-time departure figures, which

    suggested the airlines were carrying fewer passengers, and recently disclosed news by

    AMR reflecting poor business fundamentals. In pursuit of this strategy, the adviser sold

    short a number of airline shares between September 6 and September 10; its transactions

    included the fortunate purchase of UAL puts. The adviser, however, also bought 115,000

    shares of AMR on September 10, believing that their price already reflected the recently

    released financial information and would not fall any further. Those shares dropped

    significantly when the markets reopened after the attacks. Looking at the totality of the

    adviser’s circumstances, as opposed to just the purchase of the puts, convinced the SEC

    that it had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks or al Qaeda. Still, the SEC referred


    the trade to the FBI, which also conducted its own investigation and reached the same

    conclusion.

    The AMR put trading on September 10 further reveals how trading that looks highly

    suspicious at first blush can prove innocuous. The put volume of AMR on September 10

    was unusually high and actually exceeded the call volume by a ratio of 6:1—again,

    highly suspicious on its face. The SEC traced much of the surge in volume to a California

    investment advice newsletter, distributed by email and fax on Sunday, September 9,

    which advised its subscribers to purchase a particular type of AMR put options. The SEC

    interviewed 28 individuals who purchased these types of AMR puts on September 10,

    and found that 26 of them cited the newsletter as the reason for their transaction. Another

    27 purchasers were listed as subscribers of the newsletter. The SEC interviewed the

    author of the newsletter, a U.S. citizen, who explained his investment strategy analysis,

    which had nothing to do with foreknowledge of 9/11. Other put option volume on

    September 10 was traced to similarly innocuous trades.

    Another good example concerns a suspicious UAL put trade on September 7, 2001. A

    single trader bought more than one-third of the total puts purchased that day, establishing

    a position that proved very profitable after 9/11. Moreover, it turns out that the same

    trader had a short position in UAL calls—another strategy that would pay off if the price

    of UAL dropped. Investigation, however, identified the purchaser as a well-established

    New York hedge fund with $2 billion under management. Setting aside the unlikelihood

    of al Qaeda having a relationship with a major New York hedge fund, these trades looked

    facially suspicious. But further examination showed the fund also owned 29,000 shares of

    UAL stock at the time—all part of a complex, computer-driven trading strategy. As a

    result of these transactions, the fund actually lost $85,000 in value when the market

    reopened. Had the hedge fund wanted to profit from the attacks, it would not have

    retained the UAL shares.

    These examples were typical. The SEC and the FBI investigated all of the put option

    purchases in UAL and AMR, drawing on multiple and redundant sources of information

    to ensure complete coverage. All profitable option trading was investigated and resolved.

    There was no evidence of illicit trading and no unexplained or mysterious trading.

    Moreover, there was no evidence that profits from any profitable options trading wen uncollected.171"



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,054 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    Tsk, you can prove anything with facts. I bet you couldn't do it with vague nonsense shouted by a fat American in a YouTube video.



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭ pfurey101


    How come Russia, China, North Korea and Wikileaks know nothing about 9/11, Moon landing and flat earth conspiracies. You'd think they'd be delighted to let everyone know.

    As for 9/11 being an "inside job" you really give that dunderhead Bush and his cronies far too much credit. They couldn't organise anything....let alone keep their mouths shut.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,054 ✭✭✭✭ ohnonotgmail


    wait until you hear about the silent explosives that really brought down the towers on 9/11



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