State lost 10,000 Intel jobs due to planning system delays

Intel couldn’t accept the fact that they had to engage with our due process. Had to make requests, get permission and tow the line and wait their turn…corporates don’t like that..

Here in Ireland intel over the years received millions in tax breaks from us.

Might remember that when I’m buying tech.

Couldn't accept the fact? Wait their turn?You seem to think corporations are obliged to wait on us.

moreso then we are obliged to rush our processes and dispense with due process, diligence and regulatory checking which are enshrined in our laws , just because they click their fingers…and say.. “ohhh exsuce me bu bu bu but we is Intel, we is call the shots…”.happened in the past..it’s not 1987 though.

there has been more then enough corners being cut, favours given, lines blurred and laws broken to facilitate business, that culture is history, for the most part.

>>it is a low value adde industry

Seriously?

Seems to me like Ireland were saying to Intel "we have a lovely site here, don't you think it's lovely? Did we mention the site is lovely?".

There is nothing to suggest that the site was seriously preferred to other options or that the planning system here had any influence at all in which location was chosen.

There is a difference between rushing our process and having a needlessly drawn out process.

What corners have been cut? Laws broken?

What enables you to determine that our processes are needlessly being drawn out ?

historically there have been numerous laws. near why I live planning given for a housing project. That was built outside of the spec of the plans…

I’d say SF and PBP are delighted with this missed opportunity!

Actually I'm suggesting numerous biotech small, medium and large companies are being informed by their employees they don't want to live in Ireland because they would pay too much of their rent on housing with an unprofessional landlord class. Should they change their thinking to help our economy or should we focus on fixing the problem?

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't look for solutions. I suggesting that we should take any direct investment for skilled labour we can get, regardless of whether housing is available or not. If the demand is created, we should get out of the way and let the supply meet the challenge. We want to remain economically competitive after all. The last thing we should be doing is turning down opportunities. We are in a global competition. If you are saying that housing is just so uncompetitive in Ireland that people refuse to work here we should look into that. Are we saying that if 10k jobs land outside Galway, it is not profitable for private investment to rent to this workforce? Why? Is it the cost of energy and material on the island? Is it the lack of eviction enforcement to protect the investment? Or are the building standards too onerous to be profitable? Or perhaps the salaries at intel are just not good enough. I lived in Manhattan for a few years, the rents were insane but so was the pay, so it didn't matter, perhaps the quality of these jobs is overstated if they do not pay enough to rent a flat outside of Galway.

Your math is filled with assumptions. How about we start with "choice". Depending on education, qualifications and experience, one may be in a position to "choose" to apply for one of these slave jobs you speak of. People then "choose" the type of house they can afford, which may include a long mortgage, but people "choose" this. People also have the "choice" as to whether they wish to be parents or not (for the most part). So, if taking up one these these jobs was akin to enslavement, then that would also be a "choice".

You might consider that the device you are using to post your comments most likely contains an Intel chip, or other MNC chip and you are therefore supporting slavery 😉

I personally believe the culture in these MNCs is pretty toxic and they burst at the seams with virtue signaling, but people can make their own decision to work for them, or not.

On the manufacturing end, they pay quite well for graduates. I think it works out at 50k per annum with the allowances and bonuses for someone coming out of college with a Level 7 engineering degree, which is pretty decent. Most graduates wouldn't be earning anywhere near that starting off.

Not everyone gets a big house surrounded by acres of land, but in Oranmore, there are plenty of properties between the 200-250k price range, which is buttons comparing to the average in the likes of Dublin. I'm sure plenty of the workers would have lived outside Oranmore in any case and be able to get more for their money without a long commute.

Most of us have to save before getting a mortgage, that's just the way it is. It's not a bad habit to get into either.

I'm not surprised we lost out to Germany either. Intel are having problems getting enough qualified staff to fill their technical roles. A huge percentage of engineering grads are being hoovered up by Intel and their contractors. Germany have similar problems in this area and a lot of Irish grads are encouraged to travel to the likes of Germany and the Netherlands to fill technical roles due to a big shortage of this talent.