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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oh, I think his time is limited, both politically and physically. His military has really been shown up here and he won't get another bite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭joe40


    If there is any positive going forward from this tragedy (and I'm not for one minute saying it was wiorth it) it is that the myth of the strong man leader can be finally put to rest. There was plenty of respect given to Putin as a kind of antidote to weak western leadership. Farage, Trump etc thought he was a great fella. We now see him as an immoral coward and also to be quite frank clearly incompetent. Regardless how the war turns out this invasion is going to be a long term disaster for Russia.

    It has also shown EU countries that our strength depends on unity.

    I would be open to Ireland been more involved in a EU wide defence policy, without slavish adherence to neutrality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,358 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    So what?

    The point is that any referendum held there will be returned by an overwhelmingly Russian majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    Or other playbooks that he can conjure up, eg bio weapons with ‘documentation’ to prove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Not sure what you are on about here (EU "Russia" and "Energy" policy - these are mostly remit of the states' own governments or have been in past...suppose that could start to change now, or pace of changes pick up e.g. most of these govt. sanctions on Russia are being agreed upon between the member states at the EU level in a coordinated way rather than the individual countries doing it themselves).

    Also are you sure that graph means what you think it does? If you compare, the EU is generally coming out better than the national "political systems" on the graph. (edit: also seems an absolute nonsense kind of polling question too, it is so subjective + would need to see the whole thing to understand it better...is there a "don't know" etc?)

    Most of the national political systems in Europe (very wealthy and free part of the planet with people from all over battering down the gates to get in) are "broken" according to respondants. I think that may be catastrophising.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It is alleged, that two young men who hold dual Ukrainian citizenship, an Iraqi and a Nigerian, who one could be forgiven for suspecting might at one time been young male refugees, gang raped an 18 year old Ukrainian woman. All three are refugees who fled Ukraine and were housed in the same facility:

    "A juvenile immigrant escaping war-torn Ukraine who was reportedly gang raped by two men on board a German hotel ship has fled to Poland, claiming that she is not safe in Germany.

    While residing aboard the Oscar Wilde hotel ship in Düsseldorf, which is being used to house migrants fleeing Ukraine, the 18-year-old woman was allegedly raped by one guy after another.

    According to Bild, the suspected assailants, aged 37 and 26, are from Iraq and Nigeria, but also have Ukrainian citizenship.

    According to the Düsseldorf prosecutor’s office, police opened an investigation into the alleged assault on March 6 and detained the two males, who are still in jail." https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2022/03/ukrainian-girl-gang-raped-by-two-men/

    Not so much as a peep about this on the BBC, of course. That cesspit needs cleaning out.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the sanctions are being lifted and we give him a second chance we dont know what the future might bring.

    He has however showed weakness in Russia with his campaign in Russia,so lets hope Russia removes him,and his replacement is a better choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Any outcome that leaves Putin in power would be a very bad one IMO. The ideal scenario would be if he is quickly removed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Come on Ukraine. Ease up a bit. Give the Ruskies a fighting chance...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Russians famously annexed a chunk of Geargia that had an important gas pipeline running through it so that part of the pipeline now ran through Russia so they could cut it at will. The EU have been so stupid with regards to tollerating Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The source is the European Council on Foreign Relations, if you have problems with the polling get onto them 😂

    I'm going to surmise that the lack of gates to be battered down for entrance are part of what people think is broken 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭liamtech


    APT

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    The exodus will only continue - Russia is toxic - companies leaving voluntarily is a good thing - and the above is apt

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I saw the source, I still don't like that question. I think the only insight the graph gives is in the comparisons (EU vs own national political system comparison on each line, and also of one country to another for both % vertically), the absolute percentages without doing comparisons are meaningless. I suppose that is why they presented results this way (so maybe I was a bit unfair about the question).

    On second point touché, but again that is issue with that question and just looking at raw % out of it.

    When I think "broken" political systems and answer a straight yes or no to such a question...I think of somewhere like Russia as a "definitely broken" reference point ironically enough but someone else may have a very different view (we don't measure up well to a neighbour in the EU = "Broken", we've gotten worse over my lifetime = "Broken"). I think generally political attitudes to inward migration in the centre of politics in most countries have come a very long way from 2016 migrant crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Given the losses so far you could think that the Russians could be moving to a more serious view of peace talks but you would have to wonder if they are looking for time for the ground to firm up.


    Was it Napoleon who said that Marshall Mud was the best Russian military leader.


    It would be some retreat for them to leave it as is, in a war that Putin sees as essential to the long term survival of Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,248 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Honestly, that might be a net win for the Russian people. Less obesity, less social media, less awful programmes. These are luxury goods with substitutes. Oil, gas, food...harder to substitute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    The Ukraine negotiating team have absolutely no control over imposed sanctions - apart from requesting those who applied them to withdraw them. So US , Germany , etc , need to be involved. Sanctions were not put on because of Ukr being invaded only . They had more to do with weakening Putin re his expansion policy and to stop him in his tracks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Seems I am behind the times. It was a previous one I was thinking of:

    "The Chinese head of Interpol has disappeared — in China

    PARIS — French authorities launched an investigation into the disappearance of Interpol President Meng Hongwei, whose wife informed French police that he went missing after returning to his native China last week, local media reported Friday.

    Meng, a former government minister, was last seen Sept. 29, his wife said, according to unnamed French police officials cited by France’s Europe 1 radio station." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-chinese-head-of-interpol-has-disappeared--in-china/2018/10/05/4e4878c2-c88f-11e8-9c0f-2ffaf6d422aa_story.html

    The current UAE guy has been accused of torture, so as inappropriate a head of Interpol as a Chinese national. What next, one of Putin's stooges?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Call me Al




    I'm intrigued on requiring that Ukraine limit the size of their military.

    I see no upside for them in agreeing to that point. In fact quite the opposite when presented with an openly hostile neighbour.


    The should counter with a requirement that Putin has to be sackedand then presented in shackles in The Hague.


    .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Talisman


    South Ossetia is the breakaway state in Georgia that triggered the 2008 war - it's about the size of County Clare and has a population of less than 60,000 including the occupying Russian forces. If the Russian forces withdraw then there's nothing to prevent Georgia from retaking it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The Swiss military model is a good idea DaCor. Neutral, tiny very well trained army, but don't feck with us.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭joe40


    Maybe they are going to take the Boris Johnson approach to international agreements.

    Get the agreement signed and then ignore it....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine should sort of agree to not joining NATO, perhaps specify a time frame like 15 years, and the minute Putin is dead, renege on it in the same way Russia reneged on the nuclear disarmament deal. Henceforth, Ukraine is under no obligation to honour any deal made with Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Putting his tv production company skills to good use!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Putin is some gallbag.

    From Sky News:


    The West wants to 'cancel Russia', Putin says

    The Russian president has been speaking after President Zelenskyy addressed US Congress.

    Mr Putin hasn't mentioned President Zelenskyy's speech where he repeated his calls for the US to impose a no-fly zone, but has been hitting out at the West for having "geopolitical aims which don't include a strong independent Russia".

    He added that the West is trying to "cancel" Russia.

    Mr Putin also said the West would not succeed in what he called its attempt to achieve global dominance and dismember Russia. 

    If the West thinks that Russia will step back, it does not understand Russia, the Russian president said.

    Earlier in the speech Mr Putin said Russia doesn't want to occupy Ukraine.

    He added Russia didn't have any other option but to carry out what he has called a special military operation.

    Mr Putin went on to claim he had "no other option for the security of Russia" than to carry out what he has called the "special military operation" in Ukraine.

    He added that Ukraine had planned aggression against Russia that would be been backed by Western powers.

    He also said Western powers want to create an "anti-Russia" and do not care about the Ukrainian people.

    Mr Putin added that the West is pushing Ukraine to "continue the bloodshed" by supplying it with arms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Edit: already posted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    God the details of the proposed peace deal with Russia are horrendous.

    It's the equivalent of Hitler invading Poland, screwing up and getting bogged down, then trying to get a peace deal that will make it easier for him to invade the country properly in future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,363 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The highlight was Lavror insisting on "Freedom of Speech".

    😏



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