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  • Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As far as the masks stuff, a lot of people will have heard of "fast fashion" but would be surprised how much of that kind of "light" industry has fallen beyond China and is now in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Cambodia etc. Masks were still being handstitched by people for pennies a day then wrapped up together in a factory that had a Made In China sticker available to use to export them. All football jerseys and the like are made in the same places. The Chinese have basically re-outsourced a lot of light industry to poorer countries with no Quality Control, Health and Safety or workers rights whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    In some ways it will be a good thing.

    The 'throw away' society and wanting the newest and latest model might become a thing of the past.

    Let's face it their is a trend mainly amongst younger people who have got used to cheap products whereas our parents generation are more thrifty in that respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    All very true. The one problem is energy. We need energy and it just so happens that dodgy countries have a lot of energy and the EU don't. Also mass manufacturing within the EU means even more energy needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Interesting question. I reckon the minions know by now that the game is up, but Spew Tin himself might believe that this is his destiny and that he can't fail.

    What happens when the penny drops might be a revisit of Hitler's mode of exit, they're definitely both of the same ilk.

    Saddam Hussein was evil and bad but not absolutely barking like the two aforementioned examples. With him, the survival instinct kicked in.

    I guess that with total off the radar barkers like Hitler and Spew Tin, failure simply does not compute, so a voluntary exit is the only option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭threeball


    And people still claim he's nothing like Hitler.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Smart from the Americans to come out with that all the same.


    Force the Chinese to confirm or deny it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    Honestly. She's not my type anyway... bright red lips and cost a fortune in puncture repair kits.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep. A major factor is that average manufacturing wages have been going up rapidly in China too, almost tripling between 2010 and 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    To be fair there is also an argument that attempting to make Russia dependent on the EU and Europe for trade and continuing to do business with them was an effort to try and avoid exactly what is happening right now: and you could argue that any rational/intelligent Russian government would never have invaded Ukraine given the fact they're also reliant on the European market for their energy exports.

    Indeed if Europe and the EU had zero dependence on Russian energy exports or trade exports in general then they wouldn't have the same leverage they do now in terms of sanctions and economic punishment.

    It's all well and good saying with what we know now that Germany and Europe's policies w.r.t. Russia have clearly failed; but I think it's not so easy to argue that they should never have tried in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Cutting China off may not be the end of the world. And let's be honest, they need to kept in check. They are the most powerful nation on the planet, only a United force can keep them in check.

    India needs to be lured though. They know full well they have the economic potential of China. If Modi can bring mass production of the Chinese scale to India, he will secure his legacy.

    Places like Morocco, Turkey, Albania, Macedonia, Moldova can also benefit greatly too, if we invested in mass scale production.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭threeball


    China doesn't have access to vast domestic energy resources. With the right attitude we can become energy independent pretty quickly. People in ireland need to accept that that means nuclear power here and we shouldn't be afraid of that. Look at Ukraine with multiple successful reactors even coming from a communist background.

    The likes of Ukraine are ideally placed to be one of those countries to replace China on the supply chain. Not afraid of nuclear. Close to the ME for any additional energy. Large population who are not yet gone soft like us in the west and are willing to do manual work.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Raw materials too, China more or less controls the rare earth market. All the fancy high tech military equipment that gives us the edge needs chips are made using their materials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Also not really sure we should be surprised that China is taking a confrontational approach to the situation.

    Naturally they're "open to offering military support to Russia" because they know full well the West and NATO don't want them to do so. Whether they actually do so and in any significant numbers is the question: I mean they also sent aid to Ukraine to the tune of some $700,000 so they can still claim "China has provided humanitarian relief to Ukraine". They could equally send 10,000 7.62mm rounds to Russia and claim "China has provided military aid to Russia".

    They could also be trying to leverage for decreased support from Western nations for Taiwan in exchange for not supplying Russia; etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He was already screwed over the Russian s400 missle deal from ,and lost access to the F35 program



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Brit journalist in serious condition. Both legs seriously mangled by shrapnel.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    If anything good comes out of this mess, it will be the end of western led globalism. It has been tottering since 2008. A new cold war with Russia and China would just about do it I think.

    It isn't amazing that China would back Russia. The US is clearly hostile towards China and has been for a long time. Any effort to co-operate with the US and the West in general seems doomed to failure - The Uyghur crisis, the HK riots, US support for Taiwan, etc etc. Perhaps the Chinese feel it is better to support a friendly Russia that can supply it with gas, oil and food whilst tying up US/NATO attention in Europe. The benefits of supporting the US in the conflict are dubious and short term. If the US managed to crush Russia, they would then move on to attacking China next.

    I have to admit, I'm impressed with total media control that exists. Russia claims the US and Ukrainians are researching chemical/biological weapons and within 24 hours the script is entirely flipped that it is the Russians who are planning to use chemical/biological weapons. Really remarkable stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I believe the Americans could hit china with similar sanctions to what they hit Russia with if they get involved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Very good point. Man, there's been such a calamitous western policy. We made the mistake in the west in thinking that every country wanted what we had. So we figured if we open to commie China, capitalism and western contact would eventually bring them out of authoritarianism and into the 'free world'. Same mistake we made with Russia. Our policies have made China dominant. They were a 3rd world nation 25 years ago literally getting aid money from the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Remarkable that people aren't buying the excrement Russia is shovelling for sure; truly remarkable...



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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,856 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    But when is last time you saw "Made in Russia" on a product and when was the last time you didn't see "Made in China" on the back of a product?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭html6


    China supplies Russia.

    Europe turns off gas and money taps to Russia.

    Russia no means to pay China.

    Chinese economy tanks (Evergrande still ongoing) public revolt.

    CCP can't afford to do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What baffles me is what would be in it for China to back the dictator and pariah state against the whole of the West? It makes absolutely no sense. It would be like backing North Korea in a stand off with the rest of the globe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭threeball


    Can't see how. There is barely a thing you touch in your home or work life that if not entirely made in China certainly has a number of parts that do. You sanction them and 10s of thousands of western businesses cease production in the morning. Millions of jobs and almost no alternative means of supply. Theres not a chance it happens.

    The best option is for the EU to incentivise Eastern Europe to start production of certain critical items and the US do the same with central America. Its a double win for the US as it'll also stop the immigration from Central America if they help those countries and reduce the problems with drug cartels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Channel One, Russia this evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Kremlin created baseless claims about labs in Ukraine.

    A Russian military truck with a chemical warning symbol was recently photographed, that and other intelligence hinted that Russia could be preparing a chemical attack as a false flag or provocation. Given that Putin has openly used chemical weapons before, his forces have fired on a nuclear power station in this war, and prior to the invasion there was several small false flag attacks in Donbass (which were predicted, including the invasion itself), it's unsurprising those warnings were taken quite seriously. And continue to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Poor woman.

    We stand with you throughout. But we cannot help.

    If you can make it out of ShitRussia, millions of people will assist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Pretty much a death sentence.

    Incredible bravery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    China will play both sides for as long as they can. They’ll watch quietly and won’t act unless left with no choice due to economic pressure. It’s certainly not a moral issue for them.



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