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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I said on this thread before that we'd lose eventually and we did of course. Dominance in sports never lasts.

    What we witnessed was the greatest team to ever play the game.

    Sadly a lot of those players are now retired etc and we simply don't have players of the same calibre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Exactly, very true. Gavin as a manager, Cluxton as a captain, the best leadership any GAA team has ever had, when married to the one-off talents of McCarthy, McCaffrey, Brogan et al. Of the truly great team, McCarthy is a shadow, probably destined to move to full-back where he can still do a job, and only Fenton and Kilkenny are left of the greats of the six-in-a-row. Even Con O'Callaghan, who will go on the longest is already 26. Behind him, there are very few who have the potential to be remembered as all-time greats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    In fairness, I never seen anyone state that dublin were going to win 10 in a row and anything else was an impossibility, which seems to be the point that many are trying to ridicule here, which is a load of bs really.

    I know my own personal view that I had expressed on here, and that I still believe, is that even when dublin eventually did lose, they would just churn out another team and the thing will start over again, and that in the grander scheme of things, they have been pushed out of kilter with their rivals, which in turn is going to negatively affect the competition. I stand over that completely. They didnt produce the greatest team of all time in a coincidental turn of events - the team came about from the funding pumped into coaching in the county that didnt and doesnt exist elsewhere. Another team will follow soon enough. What then? More spiels about the great - insert manager and player names. Another greatest team? What are the odds! Nobody buys that, including most of those who are saying it.

    In all honesty, the fact that dublin losing a semi final in extra time, and then a few league games where they have a raft of their main guys missing, is seen as thos massive fall from grace and has their own fans half-gloating on here, only shows how far detached from reality they have become. That has often been a standard season for my own county, and kerry also. Blooding players, trying things, maybe a few guys not as fit as they should be early doors. Dublin could win their next couple of games and be on a bounce for the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Dublin have all the advantages and nothing has changed in this regard. If Mayo for example had gotten to host their All Ireland replays against Dublin in Castlebar, are people of the opinion that it would not have tipped the balance in Mayo's favour in a few of those encounters?

    Leinster's Capital City and County Populations:

    1. Dublin City 554,554

    2. Fingal County 296,020

    3. South Dublin County 278,767

    4. Kildare 222,504

    5. Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County 218,018

    6. Meath 195,044

    Fingal County + a third of the City = North Dublin.

    Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County + a third of the City = Mid Dublin.

    South Dublin County + a third of the City = South Dublin.

    Dublin is 3 counties in 1. The 3 counties of Dublin designated a third of the city is the long-term viable solution for the game.

    The conundrum is to have a Dublin entity in a competitive or exhibition game for old times sake. St. Patrick's Day in Croke Park is being freed up. Possibly Dublin v Rest of Ireland is the solution there for nostalgia's sake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Look back at the first few pages at the start of this thread! Read the guff ‘journalist’ Ewan McKenna wrote in the past about Dublin. The conveyor belt was never ending etc. There are a lot of people now scurrying to rewrite a tired false narrative like rats on this thread. The beauty is old posts cannot be edited and the false hysteria and spiteful narrative is still there for all to see! Amuses me no end.

    You are basically talking through your hat there has been a. Large loss of Dublin players. There is not a raft to come back. Plus not only that the current Dublin manager is tactically naive. The key variable for me in Dublin’s success was Jim Gavin. And history has proven this. Tactical nous and man management makes a great team. The ageing greats are been made to look poor by poor management.

    Oh and you say you cannot remember anyone mentioning Dublin 10 in a row?

    You must have a short memory Colm O’Rourke Dec 2020

    ‘Dublin have created a monster ...... we could be looking at 10 in a row‘

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    MacKenna 2019 - Dublin should be split in four

    MacKenna 2019 - Dublin conveyor belt no sign of stopping !

    quote from the above article -

    ‘this is a conveyor belt and, while yet another golden generation, it’s hardly once-in-a-lifetime unless a lifetime is just a couple of years. After all, the average age across the five-in-a-row remained stable’

    -

    Maybe it is time to admit that the prophet for many on this thread was in fact a false one? One who did not nor does not have a true grasp on Dublin GAA. But merely attempted to create hysteria to make a living a ‘journalist’. While living abroad looking from the outside in.

    Never mind from a county outside Dublin. An ex pat abroad with a vindictive narrative. Now many on this thread who believed the gospel of this false prophet. Now appear very foolish.

    I do not count 2020 Covid year. But you need only look at the Dublin match reports from the league 2021 and Wexford in the championship onwards in particular. This fall did not happen overnight. Standards dropped.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Ah not this old chestnut again !!

    Dublin is and will always be one County

    Cork 542,868

    Kerry 147,707

    Lets split Cork in 3

    Galway 258,058

    Leitrim 32,044

    Lets split Leitrim by ????

    The long-term viable solution for the game is Mergers .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Stats under Dessie Farrell NFL 2022 pre Tyrone in Omagh.

    Does not make pretty reading from a Dublin perspective.

    On top of this -

    12 players have retired since the 2018 AI final panel. They have not been replaced with players of a similar quality.

    Bernard Brogan was not in the panel by the way due to injury.

    The whole thing is now a perfect storm of a mess. Lost quality. Poor sideline management and no young lads of note coming through.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    An all Dublin Leinster final will sell out Croke Park. It is the long term viable solution.

    North Dublin v Mid Dublin

    Mid Dublin v South Dublin

    South Dublin v North Dublin

    3 potential box office clashes to fill out Croke Park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Nope not gonna happen Dublin is one County only, Long term viable solution is mergers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Dublin was one county up until 1994. The Irish word for province Cúige means there were once 5 provinces. Dublin has evolved into the 5th province of modern day Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Another nonsense post , Dublin Gaa is one County only .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Weird that Dublin GAA wanted Dublin to be given provincial status just a few years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    A few years ago ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You are referring to this ‘journalist’ I assume? Who you previously parroted on the same issue in 2018.


    The same one who claimed that Dublin need to be spilt in four and Gaelic Football is dying (obviously never watched club football?)

    On the other side of the coin I would argue a weak Dublin football team = bye bye Gaelic football. Who brings the most money into the GAA and Leinster council? Who draws in casual viewers? Answer = Dublin the team people love to hate and beat.

    It is clear to me the greatest Dublin era of all time raised the level of Gaelic Football. Teams now innovate much more and they assess more. Dublin revolutionised how Gaelic Football was played now other counties are reaping rewards by copying Dublin’s tactics from the great era.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Dublin applied for and received funding of provincial status. Funding of provincial status should bring provincial responsibilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,852 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You see that wouldn’t suit the ‘split Dublin’ gang, whose only ambition is to spend copious amounts of time and effort to weaken Dublin instead of copious amount of time on improving their own lot….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You seem to have changed tact slightly since you can no longer validly use the conveyor belt spilt argument. You are now back to going the opposite way and claim Dublin should act like a province. Yet curiously you have not mentioned the logistic challenges Dublin GAA have that few if any counties have. Price of land. Lack of availability of land. Tyrone built a Centre of Excellence for a cheaper equivalent of a single piece of land Dublin GAA purchased in the spawell. With nothing built on it. Think of that for a moment.

    Your arguments against Dublin GAA seem very duplicitous and devious. Depending on how Dublin are performing you can

    1) Call for a Dublin split into xyz

    2) Claim Dublin are a province anyways and should do better and act like one

    -

    For that is Ewan MacKenna’s two pronged argument you are parroting. Designed to ‘win’ any argument against Dublin GAA no matter how poor or well they do.

    No nuance or intrinsic Dublin variables are ever discussed by Dublin GAA detractors. No mention of Vast swathes of non GAA Dublin. Some areas have huge populations only one club. Some have no senior club. Cost of living, price of rent difficulty in traversing from one side of the city to another etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Dublin are a proud people and you have your heritage. Like it or not Dublin has evolved into a province in it's own right. Dubliners are intelligent people. There needs to be intelligent dialogue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Such as other countries in Leinster merging ? Make 12 strong teams based on geography to me that is logical. A home and away two tier league championship. Clubs merge all the time why not counties? If spilts are mooted the very next sentence should include ‘merger’.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Should it ? well your entitled to your opinion , thankfully your opinion wont result in splitting Dublin

    Again Dublin GAA is one County only .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Kerry are a pround people and you have your heritage , like it or not Kerry has destroyed Munster football with there total domination "81 Munster titles" Kerry are intelligent people , Kerry need to be split in 2 , enough is enough , There needs to be intelligent dialague



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Mergers should be on the agenda as well. Clubs have enjoyed winning the All-Ireland Junior and Intermediate championships. We'll have to see how lower league counties embrace the Tailteann Cup. There are mergers in every province which should be considered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Yes, it should.

    The recently announced championship format would have to expand to 4 groups of 5. 2 groups of 5 in the Tailteann Cup. The remaining 4 plus New York should contest an extra tier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Diagree no it shouldnt

    No harm in folk dreaming though .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Agreed with the Mergers , but lets not forget the splitting of Kerry should be on the agenda also, there domination of Munster has to stop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    If Kerry are receiving funding of provincial status, Kerry should be split for sure.

    Kerry win provincial tiltes without home advantage. When was the last time Dublin won a provincial championship outside of Dublin? When was the last time Dublin player a Leinster Championship match in their opponents back yard?

    Kerry won the 2019 Munster Championship for example without a game in Killarney.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Dublin play where they are told to play , Kerry GAA and are well funded , better than most and want for nothing , Kerry have ruined Munster football , "81 Munster titles" they need to be split for sure .



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