Dublin are a proud people and you have your heritage. Like it or not Dublin has evolved into a province in it's own right. Dubliners are intelligent people. There needs to be intelligent dialogue.
You seem to have changed tact slightly since you can no longer validly use the conveyor belt spilt argument. You are now back to going the opposite way and claim Dublin should act like a province. Yet curiously you have not mentioned the logistic challenges Dublin GAA have that few if any counties have. Price of land. Lack of availability of land. Tyrone built a Centre of Excellence for a cheaper equivalent of a single piece of land Dublin GAA purchased in the spawell. With nothing built on it. Think of that for a moment.
Your arguments against Dublin GAA seem very duplicitous and devious. Depending on how Dublin are performing you can
1) Call for a Dublin split into xyz
2) Claim Dublin are a province anyways and should do better and act like one
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For that is Ewan MacKenna’s two pronged argument you are parroting. Designed to ‘win’ any argument against Dublin GAA no matter how poor or well they do.
No nuance or intrinsic Dublin variables are ever discussed by Dublin GAA detractors. No mention of Vast swathes of non GAA Dublin. Some areas have huge populations only one club. Some have no senior club. Cost of living, price of rent difficulty in traversing from one side of the city to another etc.
You see that wouldn’t suit the ‘split Dublin’ gang, whose only ambition is to spend copious amounts of time and effort to weaken Dublin instead of copious amount of time on improving their own lot….
Dublin applied for and received funding of provincial status. Funding of provincial status should bring provincial responsibilities.
You are referring to this ‘journalist’ I assume? Who you previously parroted on the same issue in 2018.
The same one who claimed that Dublin need to be spilt in four and Gaelic Football is dying (obviously never watched club football?)
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On the other side of the coin I would argue a weak Dublin football team = bye bye Gaelic football. Who brings the most money into the GAA and Leinster council? Who draws in casual viewers? Answer = Dublin the team people love to hate and beat.
It is clear to me the greatest Dublin era of all time raised the level of Gaelic Football. Teams now innovate much more and they assess more. Dublin revolutionised how Gaelic Football was played now other counties are reaping rewards by copying Dublin’s tactics from the great era.
A few years ago ?
Weird that Dublin GAA wanted Dublin to be given provincial status just a few years ago.
Another nonsense post , Dublin Gaa is one County only .
Dublin was one county up until 1994. The Irish word for province Cúige means there were once 5 provinces. Dublin has evolved into the 5th province of modern day Ireland.
Nope not gonna happen Dublin is one County only, Long term viable solution is mergers
An all Dublin Leinster final will sell out Croke Park. It is the long term viable solution.
North Dublin v Mid Dublin
Mid Dublin v South Dublin
South Dublin v North Dublin
3 potential box office clashes to fill out Croke Park.
Stats under Dessie Farrell NFL 2022 pre Tyrone in Omagh.
Does not make pretty reading from a Dublin perspective.
On top of this -
12 players have retired since the 2018 AI final panel. They have not been replaced with players of a similar quality.
Bernard Brogan was not in the panel by the way due to injury.
The whole thing is now a perfect storm of a mess. Lost quality. Poor sideline management and no young lads of note coming through.
Ah not this old chestnut again !!
Dublin is and will always be one County
Cork 542,868
Kerry 147,707
Lets split Cork in 3
Galway 258,058
Leitrim 32,044
Lets split Leitrim by ????
The long-term viable solution for the game is Mergers .
MacKenna 2019 - Dublin should be split in four
MacKenna 2019 - Dublin conveyor belt no sign of stopping !
quote from the above article -
‘this is a conveyor belt and, while yet another golden generation, it’s hardly once-in-a-lifetime unless a lifetime is just a couple of years. After all, the average age across the five-in-a-row remained stable’
Maybe it is time to admit that the prophet for many on this thread was in fact a false one? One who did not nor does not have a true grasp on Dublin GAA. But merely attempted to create hysteria to make a living a ‘journalist’. While living abroad looking from the outside in.
Never mind from a county outside Dublin. An ex pat abroad with a vindictive narrative. Now many on this thread who believed the gospel of this false prophet. Now appear very foolish.
I do not count 2020 Covid year. But you need only look at the Dublin match reports from the league 2021 and Wexford in the championship onwards in particular. This fall did not happen overnight. Standards dropped.
Look back at the first few pages at the start of this thread! Read the guff ‘journalist’ Ewan McKenna wrote in the past about Dublin. The conveyor belt was never ending etc. There are a lot of people now scurrying to rewrite a tired false narrative like rats on this thread. The beauty is old posts cannot be edited and the false hysteria and spiteful narrative is still there for all to see! Amuses me no end.
You are basically talking through your hat there has been a. Large loss of Dublin players. There is not a raft to come back. Plus not only that the current Dublin manager is tactically naive. The key variable for me in Dublin’s success was Jim Gavin. And history has proven this. Tactical nous and man management makes a great team. The ageing greats are been made to look poor by poor management.
Oh and you say you cannot remember anyone mentioning Dublin 10 in a row?
You must have a short memory Colm O’Rourke Dec 2020
‘Dublin have created a monster ...... we could be looking at 10 in a row‘
Dublin have all the advantages and nothing has changed in this regard. If Mayo for example had gotten to host their All Ireland replays against Dublin in Castlebar, are people of the opinion that it would not have tipped the balance in Mayo's favour in a few of those encounters?
Leinster's Capital City and County Populations:
1. Dublin City 554,554
2. Fingal County 296,020
3. South Dublin County 278,767
4. Kildare 222,504
5. Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County 218,018
6. Meath 195,044
Fingal County + a third of the City = North Dublin.
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County + a third of the City = Mid Dublin.
South Dublin County + a third of the City = South Dublin.
Dublin is 3 counties in 1. The 3 counties of Dublin designated a third of the city is the long-term viable solution for the game.
The conundrum is to have a Dublin entity in a competitive or exhibition game for old times sake. St. Patrick's Day in Croke Park is being freed up. Possibly Dublin v Rest of Ireland is the solution there for nostalgia's sake.
In all honesty what a nonsense of a post
In fairness, I never seen anyone state that dublin were going to win 10 in a row and anything else was an impossibility, which seems to be the point that many are trying to ridicule here, which is a load of bs really.
I know my own personal view that I had expressed on here, and that I still believe, is that even when dublin eventually did lose, they would just churn out another team and the thing will start over again, and that in the grander scheme of things, they have been pushed out of kilter with their rivals, which in turn is going to negatively affect the competition. I stand over that completely. They didnt produce the greatest team of all time in a coincidental turn of events - the team came about from the funding pumped into coaching in the county that didnt and doesnt exist elsewhere. Another team will follow soon enough. What then? More spiels about the great - insert manager and player names. Another greatest team? What are the odds! Nobody buys that, including most of those who are saying it.
In all honesty, the fact that dublin losing a semi final in extra time, and then a few league games where they have a raft of their main guys missing, is seen as thos massive fall from grace and has their own fans half-gloating on here, only shows how far detached from reality they have become. That has often been a standard season for my own county, and kerry also. Blooding players, trying things, maybe a few guys not as fit as they should be early doors. Dublin could win their next couple of games and be on a bounce for the championship.
Exactly, very true. Gavin as a manager, Cluxton as a captain, the best leadership any GAA team has ever had, when married to the one-off talents of McCarthy, McCaffrey, Brogan et al. Of the truly great team, McCarthy is a shadow, probably destined to move to full-back where he can still do a job, and only Fenton and Kilkenny are left of the greats of the six-in-a-row. Even Con O'Callaghan, who will go on the longest is already 26. Behind him, there are very few who have the potential to be remembered as all-time greats.
I said on this thread before that we'd lose eventually and we did of course. Dominance in sports never lasts.
What we witnessed was the greatest team to ever play the game.
Sadly a lot of those players are now retired etc and we simply don't have players of the same calibre.
@gormdubhgorm No agenda. Just stating the truth. I'm sorry you can't see this
So just to be clear is it 10 in a row from 2022 or what???
Why is deflection you have not even attempted to discuss the issues I raised. That saddens me.
It says to me the following.
1) You have an agenda
2) You have not paid attention to Dublin GAA
3) You do not understand the serious issues in Dublin GAA that other counties do not have to contend with
So much deflection. It saddens me
On the contrary - questions were asked how people who frequent this thread will now change their narrative. It is not about proving anything. It is simply that the very fact Dublin are in transition flies in the face of many an illogical argument on this thread. And the other question was why the thread has gone dormant. That was very telling in itself don't you think?
Do you really want me to go through this thread and pick out many of the hyperbole from posters?
It will be 10 in a row etc etc. Football is dead etc. All arguments copied and pasted from Ewan Mckenna. Along with the logical fallacy of 'financial doping' in the GAA - a term borrowed from a professional soccer manager!
It is done so other counties can hide behind their own failings and make excuses for underachievement IMO.You couldn't make that up!!!
It is noticeable that none of the posters look at the mismanagement of other counties - how often did Kildare reach the super 8's? How long was Meath outside of division 1? Etc
Could other counties be merged geographically? No talk of the championship structure issue. Why is the argument always down to ONE issue such as posters as yourself. When the truth is the issue is much more complex than you like to pretend. Cost of land in the spawell alone was dearer than the amount Tyrone built their whole centre of excellence for. Clondalkin has Round Towers in a massive catchment area one club for hundreds of thousands of people. No senior club in D4 for mens football. All issues those who chirp about the ONE issue do not seem to be aware of.
It is not premature at all. anyone who watched Dublin's games in the championship last year saw this coming. Without even going into their league performances
Dublin's first game v Wexford (a) Leinster Quarter Final 2021
- Dublin won by a margin of Eight points 0-15-0-7 this however does not tell the whole story. As Dublin laboured in the match and basically won the game by virtue of Cormac Costello's frees
The headline were as follows -
Dublin’s ‘tight’ win over Wexford highlights team’s injuries and retirements
'Dublin’s surprisingly tight win over Wexford on Sunday, 0-15 to 0-7, was their narrowest victory since defeating Meath in the 2013 Leinster football final.'
Sluggish Dublin too strong for gutsy Wexford in Leinster
Dublin: Evan Comerford; Michael Fitzsimons, David Byrne, Seán McMahon; James McCarthy, Brian Howard (0-2), Robert McDaid; Brian Fenton (0-2), Peadar Ó Cofaigh-Byrne; Paddy Small, Ciarán Kilkenny (0-1), Niall Scully; Ryan Basquel, Con O’Callaghan, Cormac Costello (0-7, 5 frees).
Subs: Tom Lahiff (0-1) for McDaid inj., (34); Seán Bugler for R. Basquel; Colm Basquel (0-1) for Scully (53); Aaron Byrne for Small (56); Dean Rock (0-1) for Byrne (66).
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Dublin's second game in Leinster 2021 v Meath (n) - Leinster SF 2021
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0718/1235815-dublin-see-off-meath-after-close-contest-at-croke-park/
The headline was as follows -
Dublin see off Meath after close contest at Croke Park
"It wasn't all plain sailing for All-Ireland champions Dublin in Croke Park but they survived a stern second-half challenge from Meath to book their place in the Leinster SFC final.
From trailing by 11 points at half-time, Meath closed the gap to three in the 69th minute and held all the momentum."
Dublin: E Comerford; M Fitzsimons, D Byrne, J Cooper; P O Cofaigh-Byrne, B Howard, S McMahon; B Fenton (0-1), J McCarthy; D Rock (0-2 one free), C Kilkenny (0-5), N Scully; P Small (0-1), C O'Callaghan (1-3), C Costello (1-4 1-0 penalty).
Subs: T Lahiff for O Cofaigh-Byrne half-time, S Bugler for Small 50 mins, C Basquel for Rock 62m, C Murphy for McMahon 74m
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Dublin nearly managed to blow an 11 point halftime lead. This never would have happened under previous management.
Final score - 2-16 to 1-13
Game 3 Dublin v Kildare (n) Leinster Final 2021
I was at this game and remember it well because Kildare played it cagey for much of the game. Yet despite this one of the few times Kildare ran at the Dublin defence they scored a goal. A magic one from Daniel Flynn.
I remember not been happy about that fact that Dublin were looking so sloppy the only time their defence was really questioned. Dublin won 0-20 to 1-09
Headline -
Kildare show up well in Leinster final but Dublin make it 11 titles in-a-row
"The eight point winning margin was Dublin’s lowest in a provincial decider since 2013, so credit must go to Kildare for a spirited display. However, a tally of 1-9 was never going to beat Dublin and realistically they needed another two goals to stand a chance of causing a major upset.
After missing nine of 18 shots in the opening period, Dublin scored 11 out of their 12 shots at the posts after half-time. It wasn’t a vintage display but they showed good composure to manage the game in the second-half. Colm Basquel had a late goal ruled out for over carrying when a green flag would have put a gloss on this win.
Dublin aren’t blowing teams away but they’re still alive and kicking. Dessie Farrell’s side find themselves in the last four of the All-Ireland series and are 70 minutes away from their seventh final in succession
It was Dublin’s most consistent performance of the championship, although they’re still playing a level or two below their brilliant best of recent years. Farrell lacks the sort of punch off his bench they had during the Jim Gavin era. They’ve scored just a point off the bench in their wins over Meath and Kildare, with Ryan Basquel contributing the sole score by a substitute today"
Scorers for Dublin: Dean Rock 0-5 (0-3f), Ciaran Kilkenny 0-4 (0-1m), Cormac Costello 0-4, Niall Scully (0-1m) 0-2, James McCarthy, Brian Howard, Paddy Small, Con O’Callaghan and Ryan Basquel 0-1 each..-
Game 4 Dublin v Mayo (n) AI Semi Final
Couldn't get tickets for this because of the hames of things made on ticketmaster but that is another story. The way I remember it Dublin were unable to kill the game. And got more and more edgy. Davy Byrne played a ball across his own square after a poor pass and the rest is history. It was very similar to the Meath match I remember saying only this time Dublin got caught.
I actually predicted a Mayo win and I am sure you can find it if you trawl back to the relevant threads. I saw the signs.
Mayo claim incredible All-Ireland semi-final win as Dublin's reign as champions ends
"and this was an extraordinary semi-final success for the Westerners after they trailed by seven points during the first half and were down six at the break.
Scorers for Dublin: Dean Rock 0-7 (0-5f), Ciarán Kilkenny 0-3 (0-1f), Paddy Small 0-2, Con O’Callaghan, Seán Bugler 0-1 each.
To say the signs were not there only shows you have not been watching Dublin football very carefully. It is not about the Armagh result it is culmination of poor performances from Dublin.
In the league that year Dublin beat the Rossies by 9 - drew with Kerry - only because Dublin managed 4 goals .
Galway only lost by 4 and Donegal, only lost by the same margin.
And it is not only the results it is the manner of the Dublin performances that have been shocking, echoing that first game in Leinster v Wexford sluggish - devoid of ideas - depending on frees mostly - and lacking pace.
You mention the Dublin clubs - it is 2015 since a Dublin football club won a football AI - Boden who were lucky in two games - one v Clontarf and the other v Portlaoise. Bad management by the opponent (Clontarf) and poor shooting (Portaloise) meant they survived. Boden were a man down v tarf and a good few points - MDM was sent off.
Even in the recent decade Dublin clubs have managed to lose to counties they should not have lost to.
Rathnew (Wicklow) beat Vinnies
Mulinanughta (Longford) beat Kilmacud
You mention the Dublin hurlers - but no AI SF since 2013 no league since 2011. Still have not reached an AI hurling final in my lifetime. It was done with imports from other counties - Limerick - Tipp - Galway etc = and Dalo's (from Clare) management. The current hurling Dublin team are a well gelled outfit - still not good enough against the top tier. At club level Cuala are a Dublin hurling oasis in Dalkey very unusual - but sometimes a club can drive on - Mattie Kenny the common factor. And of course Cuala have Con O'Calaghan who is an excellent dual star.
If the Dublin Domination theory was true - Dublin hurling would now have kicked on in the last decade. They went backwards instead.
The ladies footballers a rebuild is needed - they are mostly auld wans in football terms.
A thread that been dormant for months is restarted by Dublin supporters desperate to prove that because their team is going through a transition period it somehow disproves the fact that Dublin GAA has been hugely overfunded for many years at the expense of other counties.
You couldn't make this up
I have to disagree. Dublin are now like Kerry in 1983. Many of the great team are now gone, players who had only substitute roles in the great team are having to step up and be leaders and are found wanting, the conveyor belt has dried up. I can't see them replicating the success of the 84-86 Kerry team because too many Dubs are gone and the gap to the next level is bigger than it was in Kerry back then. Sure they could win two of the next five with the echoes of the great team but it is much more likely that a spread of wins will be found. Certainly the idea that Dublin can be divided should be binned now.
I am not rewriting anything, my own words in this thread and similar were that:
"Dublin will eventually lose a game, and when it happens it will not change the bigger problem one little bit. Dublin winning 8 of the next 10 All-Irelands is still the same problem as Dublin winning all 10 of them."
Maybe they are about to enter another 20 years of underachievement. Its possible. But one thing for sure is that losing a semi final and underperforming for a period does not negate anything said in this thread to this point, Dublin still wake up tomorrow with 1 million more people and infinitely more funding than my county.
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