What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Oil is the killer. Gas is going to fluctuate as we come out of winter. The big pinch point is how Germany is going to react to gas and are they willing to cut ties to this russian gas. If they do, that is the pressure valve released it cut the fuel to the Russian economy and army

Went to buy fert and dairygold are rationing, wouldn't sell me any, trying to make sure everyone has enough till May

Price likely rising also. I have some bought in dec and Jan but they are trying to keep lads going too, which look is fair enough. Feed likely to increase too so no harm to stick in an order if ye have space

Lakelands fertiliser went up 200 a tonne last night

Something must be happening if there's such a rush to get it out and the talk of €200 extra on a ton in the last 24 hours. I wonder have they been tipped off? Be like the fuel crowd then upping prices prior to the excise cut

Quite possible alright 👍🏽

You would wonder where this will end

They got burned on the fuel one yesterday.

They'll hardly make that faux pas again tomorrow.

Hopefully they wont do anything, will only make a mess of things in the long run

The problem is how do you return to normality after. These types of interventions don't generally disappear without a trace after

Don't think that will make much difference. If a merchant knows your coming armed with a subsidy from the government, ya can be sure the price will rise so they swallow that cash. As with all things grant related, prices rise. It's rarely the receiver of the grant benefits. Same with TAMS grants - prices rise when grant is mentioned. Sure even the simple bike to work scheme seen every bike in the country jump to €1000 when it came in.

There's only one way to sort this and it's to nationalise the production of fertiliser. The government then control it. But of course the civil service would make a balls of it

Use I would be very slow. A good part of the price problem was that during last summer fertlizer companies resold there forward bought gas. This prevented them from producing fertlizer during last autumn. They only restarted production when fertlizer prices started to rise due to bulk buying by the likes of India and by China stopping it export.

Europe intends to reduce it's dependance on Russian gas by over 60% this this summer. Mainly by using what LOG storage it has and by Germany getting it nuclear plants back fully online.

Remember high prices cure high prices. If I was forwards buying anything it would be rations or putting a pan in place to grow maize if in the intensive beef finishing game or in dairying.

Hearing of can gone over 1 k per tonne and 18 6 12!to 980….there’s still lads that have little to no fertiliser bought ….madness at this stage

There's no way for prices to drop significantly before this time next year.

Asia is hungry for gas and if the eu is competing for gas to fill tanks, there wont be any reductions in price by next winter.

Supply and price could be an even bigger issue this time next year if ukraine doesn't surrender.

No they do not. What you fail to understand is that smaller producers especially Suckler farmers are looking at this and making business decisions. I have talked to three Suckler farmers that sell there progeny as stores at year end normally.

Take a Suckler farmer with 25cows that normally buys 5T of fertlizer. Last year it cost him 16-1800euro. At present prices it is 5k. Now that's an extra 3300 or 135/animal. A few have made conscious decisions to sell there stores now. Buy virtually no fertlizer and minimal stock this year.

I bough my fertlizer pre last Saturday. I can manage this year but ration prices are worrying me now. If ration keeps going crazy and I don't see it reflected in beef prices I will cut back numbers by 15-25% next year. Dairy farmers will do the same.

It will not be farmers or there animals that starve. With high cattle price it may make more sense to slaughter than to carry losses.

The biggest pressure will not be fodder but high energy grains used in rations, barley maize, wheat etc. The most important thing is try to encourage extensive farmers to grow extra fodder not just what they require themselves. Cost of a round bale of sage will go from 25/ bake to 35+/ bale and that is if you are using slurry for the majority of your P&K. If you are using bagged fertlizer ( many intensive dairy farmers are as some of there silage ground is 15+ miles away) then the cost is heading above 50+/bale.

Autumn milk production depends on bring supplemented by with high quality silage and/or rations. 5-6 years ago rations cost 230/ ton, last year 260-280, at present 320-350/ ton and futures for grains indicate prices of over 500/ ton.

So go figure