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Expecting RT talking heads to be like - Even when it wasn't the biological labs we knew it was the biological labs.

Posted this on the Ukranian thread. Hope it's ok repeating the post here to provoke people's thoughts on how the west might go about achieving a change in the average Russian's mindset, particularly when one considers how entrenched a whole lot of Trumpists in a free press USA have become in batshit crazy conspiracies in recent years.

"One particularly and not especially encouraging take on the mindset of the average Russian in the replies to this video of captured Russian servicemen on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7cbkj/another_interview_with_captured_russians_if_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The basic premise of the insightful and lengthy commentary is that, although Putin is the head of the beast, he is surrounded by loyalists and a military/petrochemical industrial complex which have a lot to lose or gain in this conflict.

The entire mindset of the average Russian, whilst undoubtedly influenced and swayed by a totally one-sided propogandist and pro Putin media, is as equally if not moreso influenced or institutionalised by a fear of the West going right back through the cold war and (justifiedly even moreso) by the collective experience of the Great Patriotic war where the invasion from the West caused the deaths of 20 million Russians. Russia has not moved on from this mindset and it has served Putin well to perpetuate this "operation" as a continuation of this struggle against the threat from the West and all its evils (Whilst ironically at the same time embracing all the trappings of Capitalism).

Unfortunately, it would seem that merely overthrowing Putin or beheading the senior military command, who equally benefit from this mindset will still not be enough to convert the average Russian from this albeit outdated, but nonetheless historically justified, fear of the West."

Unless young Ivan intends having putin style security around him going forward he may find his career/ life might be kind of short.

And so it begins:

" More than 400 Ukrainians who protested against the occupation of Kherson by Russian forces have been detained by Russia’s national guard, Ukraine’s military high command said.

In a statement, the Ukrainian military high command said hundreds have been arrested for protesting in the now Russian-occupied Kherson.

Due to the furious resistance of the residents of Kherson, the occupiers are attempting to introduce an administrative-police regime."

Yes the US supplying these weapons will get civilians killed.

If you're about to get incinerated in an armoured oven you won't care too much about who you kill in order to preserve your own existence, this is a basic rule of war.

'They can easily see' ,rubbish, why do you think it's a grand da and granny, because the CIA told you to think that?

Around the village a few weeks ago, around the war zone now.

What makes you think they were elderly, the BBC tell you that lie?

There was a lad on Dunphys podcast saying that the only way Russia can hold Ukraine is by conducting mass genocide. I have no doubt that this is now the Russian plan. The only way this is avoided is by the removal of Putin by those in power around him. Maybe a sneaky grenade in that tea pot he likes ?

Some scholars argue Russia have tried that tack in Ukraine before.

Да, да товарищ. Мы слышали все это раньше от Добби Путина.

Никто не покупает то, что вы продаете.

If you break into someone's house with a gun, it doesn't matter what your justification is, you should be killed as soon as possible, you weren't invited and you are threatening violence. You have no rights. If NATO or Ukraine had invaded Russia, I would say the same.

We are all being played by the wealthy elites (billionaires who can buy nations leaders & create events) people who could not care less about humanity, be that Putin or the other side who you just imagine & accept without even a question are telling the truth.

Those who think Russia just started a war out the blue for no cause except insane aggression -

2016 A documentary directed by Oliver Stone on Ukraine, and a warning of events that have now transpired. Mainly the investigative work of Robert Parry an American investigative journalist, best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair.

The development with Chernobyl losing power is very worrying

"Ukraine’s foreign minister has called for a ceasefire to allow repairs to be carried out to restore the electricity supply to Chernobyl nuclear power plant.

Ukraine’s state power operator earlier said Russian forces have disconnected the nuclear power plant from the grid, Reuters reported.

Energoatom, Ukraine’s state-run nuclear company, warned the situation could lead to the release of radioactive substances from the plant.

It warned in a Telegram post:

The wind can transfer the radioactive cloud to other regions of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and Europe.

If the situation continued, “all personnel there will receive a dangerous dose of radiation”, it continued.

Work to repair the connection and restore power to the plant, which has been occupied by Russian troops, has not been possible because fighting is under way, it said.

Ukrainian foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba said reserve diesel generators at Chernobyl nuclear power plant have a 48-hour capacity.

After that, cooling systems of the storage facility for spent nuclear fuel will stop, making radiation leaks imminent."

More good news, so far these weapons have been very effective

Again, this is all just speculation, but Russia "may" be pivoting from it's original plan to invade Ukraine/install a puppet government, and instead focus on something achievable like secure LDNR and Crimea. If true (or vaguely true) might mean some sort of peace deal could be doable.