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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    When I see that Z symbol, I immediately think of Oswald Mosley's lightning flash symbol. Dark connotations....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Could NATO not at least establish a no-moth zone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    The usual pinch of salt, but indeed Ru forces are increasingly surrounding Kyiv




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Botrys



    Good insights by John Mearsheimer,

    This guy basically predicted exactly what is happening today in Ukraine and been warning about it since 2014

    a good watch for those who're interested to look at this situation from a different angle.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08



    If they don't know what's going on inside their country, surely the ones outside know now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    The endgame is Putin wants Biden, Johnson and Macron to sit at the table about territory expansion in the balkins.

    He won’t stop forcing the expansion until a conversation has started at the very least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The government lies to them continuously though, so it really doesn't matter. The people are kept happy with regular homoerotic topless pictures of the dear leader and that keeps them happy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Okay I thought that Chernobyl had been cut from the grid to stop electricity production but the below does not sound good




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Not when it's in conjunction with the other nuclear plant captured in the South, the biggest in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, apparently he thought the Ukrainian army was a vastly inferior one that would be overrun almost instantaneously by Russian firepower and also thought Zelensky would flee the country immediately, leaving Kyiv there for the taking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭html6




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    The Russians are taking a leaf out of the British/American playbook with the biological programme find, retroactively

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Any chance we can banish the term "playbook" from the dictionary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Mearsheimer is again arguing that this is primarily the West's fault due to what he seems to view as an aggressive NATO expansion.

    Once again, NATO cannot expand to countries that do not volunteer to join, so the NATO secretary general could make as many pronouncements as he or she likes, it doesn't change the fact.

    So that means that Ukraine would have to want to be part of this alliance in some capacity. Now, there's the idea that the Ukrainian government could be bought off to join NATO. OK, two things on that - 1) is that if it's that easy, the Russians would be attempting to do the same thing in their own favour. 2) If the current government of Ukraine was just a western puppet, the people probably wouldn't be fighting as hard for it as they appear to be. They might even put a few flowers on those Russian tanks, such would be their gratitude for liberation.

    Russia is, to put it bluntly, a pretty sh*t country (no disrespect to the many lovely individuals who live there), with an underperforming economy and leadership that is authoritarian and corrupt (we see the former as it now attempts to block off Internet access to the outside world). How can it be any wonder that a lot of Ukrainians look West and think that's where a better future lies.

    I mean, really, you guys.... how could any country want to be a part of EU/NATO of its own volition? Employment opportunity! Freedom of speech! Economic investment! Security! Stop, stop, stop with all these horrible things!

    Basically, Russia's the hairy unkempt alco husband who's jealous that his wife is cosying up to another man, but he's not willing to work on himself to save the marriage. He thinks a few thumps to the stomach in the garden, in full view of the neighbours, will sort things out. Well, the missus has been doing a bit of jiu jitsu at the weekends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not up to speed on Tank / AV transmissions, but in normal HGV's they cannot be towed over long distances without disconnecting the drive's...and definitely not in reverse. Still that would not stop the gun from working.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I would have read the "in which nuclear weapons are used" clause as qualifying both preceding clauses "If Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression OR an object of a threat of aggression" not just the immediately preceding clause, but I guess that's one for the international lawyers and grammar experts to argue over.

    Russia have already ignored the terms of the above1994 Bucharest Memorandum and now the recent UN Security Council resolution ES-11/. https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3958976?ln=en

    Recalling the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, signed in Helsinki on 1 August 1975, and the Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum) of 5 December 1994,

    Condemning the 24 February 2022 declaration by the Russian Federation of a “special military operation” in Ukraine,

    Reaffirming that no territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognized as legal,

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    .

    .

    1. Reaffirms its commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters;

    2. Deplores in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine in violation of Article 2 (4) of the Charter;

    3. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine and to refrain from any further unlawful threat or use of force against any Member State;

    4. Also demands that the Russian Federation immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders;

    5. Deplores the 21 February 2022 decision by the Russian Federation related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine as a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and inconsistent with the principles of the Charter;

    6. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally reverse the decision related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine;

    The UN Security Council could pass a resolution to put UN forces in Ukraine. This could provide a broader and larger force than the Bucharest Memorandum alone.

    In my view it should also consider the Russia's place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council considering its current and previous actions in Ukraine and the legal questions raised about the post USSR status of the Russian Federation's place on the UN Security Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Don't know what they're doing in Chernobyl. The IAEA has stopped receiving telemetry data overnight. Presumably the military have cut all lines, which is why this data has disappeared. Any other plant, you'd be less worried.

    The staff have been kept onsite for 13 days straight, not being allowed to rotate in and out. Which presumably means some level of sleep in shifts, but also means you don't have enough staff to keep fully manned. Staff in Zaporizhzhia are being permitted to rotate as normal. This may be purely down to control - that they know the staff in the South will go home and come back to work. They don't know the staff in Chernobyl won't be conspiring against them if they're allowed to go home.

    But it means tired staff. And tired staff make mistakes.

    I'm still skeptical to think there's a malicious aspect to this. Another incident at Chernobyl will hurt Belarus as badly if not worse than it will hurt Ukraine or Europe. I had thought they initially secured Chernobyl to avoid any incidents, but they're doing everything they can to make an incident happen.

    I don't want to get into thinking that Putin plans on using Chernobyl as threat, causing another disaster but making it look like an accident or Ukrainian sabotage. That's Bond-villian level stuff, and I don't see any real pay off for Putin.

    Nevertheless, what they're doing with Chernobyl is reckless and unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Black Noel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed. Avid critics of the West have traditionally used the same lines as Moscow.

    NATO is expanding because countries are freely choosing to join the defensive alliance. The reasons why are now blindingly obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Car manufacturers suspending production due to lack of parts.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'm guessing the Ukrainians are familiar (and getting much more familiar) with all this, the primary goal seems to be to get them away from any frontlines to avoid Russian forces retrieving their equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    BREAKING:

    🇺🇲 🇺🇦


    Poland has offered to hand over all 28 of its MiG-29 jet fighter jets to Ukraine via the United States.

    The planes will be flown to the U.S. Rammstein Air Base in Germany.

    Poland have asked for 28 F-16 in return from USA.

    🇵🇱

    sic

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Or planting it as extra road blocks if otherwise useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Ah I remember a time in the past (anything beyond 3 weeks ago really) when similar claims were taken seriously by a portion of posters on this site.


    "Russia has repeated allegations that the United States supported a military biological programme in Ukraine involving deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax – claims that the Pentagon has described as “absurd”.

    Russia’s foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said evidence of the alleged programme had been uncovered in Russia during what it calls its “special military operation” in Ukraine.

    Zakharova said:


    We can already conclude that in Ukrainian biological laboratories in direct proximity to the territory of our country, development of components of biological weapons was being carried out.

    She went on to allege that Russia had documents showing that the Ukrainian health ministry had ordered the destruction of samples of plague, cholera, anthrax and other pathogens after 24 February.

    Zakharova said the alleged programme was financed by the Pentagon and demanded transparency from Washington.


    We are not talking here about peaceful uses or scientific goals... What were you up to there?

    Russia “demands details”, she continued:


    The US Defence Department and the presidential administration of the United States are obliged to officially explain to the global community, officially, not through talking heads, about the programmes in Ukraine.

    Both the Pentagon and the Ukrainian government has strongly denied these allegations, and Reuters reports that it was not possible to independently confirm the authenticity of any such documents.

    In response to earlier Russian allegations about the purported military biological programme in Ukraine, a Pentagon spokesperson said on Tuesday:


    This absurd Russian misinformation is patently false.

    A Ukrainian presidential spokesperson said Ukraine “strictly denies any such allegation”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Botrys



    Mate

    i understand that.

    But that is the simplistic way to look at it

    I am not debating what's right and what's wrong

    Absolutely Russia is a crap country with a crap backward regime, but at the end of the day, they're a nuclear superpower and caution is necessary.

    Freedom of speech, economic investment, Security ! etc can be a concern in next door autocratic russia, you never know, in this multi ethnic huge country certain groups might start getting the idea to secede from this shithole and join the prosperous west.

    From their own (crappy) perspective this is a red line and they'll do whatever they can to stop it and all we're doing is encouraging the Ukrainians to walk towards their doom and we're going to sit idle and watch.

    If you're really that keen to integrate Ukraine with the west, how about we march together towards Moscow and change the regime there instead ?


    Just keep an open mind when you listen to Mearsheimer.



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