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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭liamtech


    He is a child, and behaving as such, in a pathetic display of patriotism. Perhaps he feels he has no choice. And perhaps he doesnt. I said previously that the Z symbol, may be used as a way to distinguish those who support the Regime, from those who dont

    Its a disgrace of course - bewilderingly so

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Irish_wolf


    Absolutely they are, monitoring here and many other message boards around the world. Incredibly cheap form of surveillance looking for weaknesses and public opinions to exploit. What we are seeing here is an absolute bombardment of propaganda the likes of which we have never been exposed to from both sides. We should be incredibly vigilant with the information we consume over the next few weeks. We have already seen what can happen when you are exposed to continuous pictures of dead Ukrainian children a la the Russian Embassy attack. The west/Ukrainian is obviously light years ahead with their media presence but the Russians are quite devious as well. We saw Russian soldiers pose as rebel insurgents in Crimea to make the Crimean invasion have more legitimacy. It wouldn't be difficult for them to pose as Irish people in message and engage in 'friendly' debate to eke out our opinions and knowledge. Obviously there are actual Irish geebags who just love a good belligerent argument but nefarious forces are at work at every angle here. Pushing us to abandon neutrality, Radicalising sane people to take up arms in a foreign country etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Immigration in to Britain, bogus asylum seekers, over the last 20 years has really abused the system, crapped down on people,especially the working class.


    Can't blame them for being skeptical that it will just be abused again.


    Ironically it is at the time when we have the first genuine Refugee crisis in 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Russia last year accounted for about 3 percent of U.S. foreign imports of crude oil, and about 1 percent of the U.S. supply overall. 

    Its just for show .... pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Absolutely, but keep in mind, that's 5% in 2 weeks, which is utterly astonishing losses for a military superpower. It's an unlikely rate but if it were kept up, that would be 20% by the end of next month.

    As for casualties, the most conservative estimates put Russian combat fatalities at around 3,000. Which is more than the US lost in two decades in Afghanistan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭html6


    Any body think the squabbling about "no fly zone" and "supplying migs" is actually cover. By hook or by crook they will get those migs. Is it just a ploy to give Moscow a false sense that things are falling apart.

    Could Putin just pull out and say "yeah job done we killed the nazis" and then start rebuilding trade with the west(obviously with reparations to the Ukrainians).

    Right now it seems untenable and non viable to continue with this war both politically and financially. Currently they have only taken KHerson. Even after they have shelled cities to bits the troops will still be afraid to go in and secure the area.

    I've just seen Makharova in Moscow saying that Americans have been developing chemical weapons in Ukraine. She is so full of sheet. She definitely needs a one way to the Hague.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed but as an exporter, they need to deal with international finance, and a near-default or default rating impacts so many aspects of that. Simply handling foreign currencies will be a nightmare for them, and their domestic currency is highly volatile and plunging, not to mention highly toxic to any external holders. Putin has already enacted a law to seize (steal) money from Russians, it's incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The low level of Russian debt is a benefit to western nations in the event of a default. It would be much worse if they had enormous debt and defaulted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Depends on Putin and his close associates doesn't it? Can he back away having gone this far? I'm not sure, unless his arm is twisted. The Ukrainians are not in the mood for total surrender as Russia demands, not having taken this much damage and loss. So not a great look out. However it goes though, you'd have to think that Putin is yesterdays man in Russia - no win here for him at all and only bad outcomes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    only as a result of the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, on top of that it's estimated we have close to 1 trillion dollars worth of their foreign assets locked up. I believe there's already another law gone through whereby the Kremlin can "seize" foreign currencies over a certain amount from Russians.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Any body think the squabbling about "no fly zone" and "supplying migs" is actually cover. By hook or by crook they will get those migs. Is it just a ploy to give Moscow a false sense that things are falling apart.

    IMHO both the no fly zone and the Migs are distractions and dead ends. Both would escalate and widen the potential for open warfare and give putin a propaganda victory with his subjects. The no fly zone would mean Western/US/Nato shoot downs of Russian aircraft. Not going to happen. The West has already given the Ukrainians missiles and intel to reduce the airborne threat. The Polish Migs are out of date, but even if they weren't jet fighters are scarily complex and vulnerable systems that need crazy levels of support, never mind airfields, weapons and fuel. This is not a squadron of Spitfires you fill with petrol and bullets and take off from a field. And you have the problem of comms on the ground. At the moment anything flying is fair game for Ukrainian AA fire. Add Ukrainian Migs into the mix and that gets a lot more confused. IMHO Their actual usefulness would be marginal beyond the psychological and the risks attached to them not worth it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Biological Threat Reduction Program

    Unfortunately the PDF's have been removed from the US Embassy's website, maybe just a coincidence but wayback machine has them saved.


    This is the one from Kharkiv and everyone one of them was funded by the USA Department of Defence

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭omega man


    Russians will make hay domestically with the “US biological programmes” on their border claims. Playbook 101.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Sounds like a standard international program

    "The U.S. Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program collaborates with partner countries to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world’s most dangerous infectious diseases. The program accomplishes its bio-threat reduction mission through development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures. The Biological Threat Reduction Program’s priorities in Ukraine are to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats."

    Of course I am sure pro-Russian propaganda and supporters will highlight it in order to hint and insinuate there's something nefarious to it. Likewise Moscow is claiming that Ukrainians are building a "dirty bomb" because they have nuclear reactors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    I disagree, The text states "If Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression OR an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The regime might be winning the internal propaganda battle for now, but the longer the war goes on and the sanctions start to really kick in, it could really start to unravel. It will take some explaining from the state propagandists in a few week's time as to why the Russian army is still fighting in multiple parts of Ukraine and not making any progress.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    More Ukrainian farmers stealing Russian kit and quickly becoming the fastest growing military force in the world




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Some may be underestimating the importance of the withdrawal of large brands en masse from the Russian market.

    It's a huge signal to ordinary Russian citizens that something is very, very wrong.

    Also, there may be a very dark reason why the "West" is, thus far, reluctant to engage further - they may be waiting for the atrocities to further galvanise their own citizens so as to delegate responsibility somewhat for the consequences of escalation.

    I agree that the apparent "debacle" over the Polish Migs is hghly likely to be a smokescreen.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The existence of the labs is a matter of public record, they claim to perform research on biological threats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ9cCqChMLs

    I don't buy into the conspiracy theories, from either side. These are biolabs, not bioweapons labs.

    As for why you have labs in dodgy countries, there is a very mundane explanation. It's the same reason many Western companies do genetic engineering in China. You can get away with stuff that is not allowed in the West due to safety or ethical regulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    "Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK, Vadym Prystaiko, also called for Britain’s visa requirement to be lifted for refugees.

    PA reports that he told the Commons home affairs committee:


    I understand how sensitive it is for your society...how reasonable, how justified it is with your own system, that’s frankly for you to decide. We will be happy if all the barriers are dropped for some period of time when we can get maximum (numbers) of people, then we will deal with that."


    Translation: "Yeah, could Britain take more than 50 Ukrainian refugees thx"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russian equipment being reconstituted into Ukrainian army




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




    Expect them to disconnect Zaporizhzhia next



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The ban on Russian sport is a significant one too. Apparently the Russians are sports mad and can't get enough of it on TV.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Fairly good explanation of the Z symbol in the following article. Looks like its use was premeditated and was deliberately designed so as to create support amongst Russians for the Invasion of Ukraine

    "Weeks before the Russian attack on Ukraine, military specialists started to ask about strange markings(opens in a new tab) on military vehicles massing along the borders. Several vehicles sported a white Z-sign on the doors or bonnets and experts tried to understand what they meant.

    Now we know.

    The Z is an attempt to create a cool symbol of the war. The Z is used for hashtags on social media: “#ZaМир” – for peace. The Kremlin’s precondition for the war was a lie; the attempt to market the war, oops, Special Operation, is a lie. Even the word ‘war’ must not be used; Russian authorities have forbidden media outlets to call the war a war.

    The Latin Z functions as a recognisable tag kids can draw on the walls. The corresponding Cyrillic letter З looks like the digit 3 (three), and using that would have opened an avalanche of jokes, referring to the school mark 3 – the lowest approved – “Sufficient”. The Russian word ”троечник” is generally translated as “looser”. Specialists in marketing would call this bad optics.


    https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-kremlin-hashtagging-ze-war/

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