Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I think you will be surprised at how many homes have a room they could spare and will offer them. The scenes at Berlin train station with hundred of people holding up cards with drawn stick figures showing they could take a woman and several kids was heart warming and inspirational.

Even more remarkable was a Belgian couple, who drove two cars to the Polish border packed both cars full of refugees and drove them back to Belgium.

A big difference between economic migrants refugees and those from the war in Ukraine.

I was talking to a colleague who hails from a geopolitical conflict zone. His brother, aged in his late 20s, an economist, was shot dead. He said that to us, these death tolls are meaningless. But to him, one of them was his brother. He remembers the absolute horror and fear of the bombs detonating and the walls shaking. He did not know if they would live or die. His friend’s young son, even after they emigrated, wouldn’t sleep at night, because he was afraid. He would only sleep during the day, when his family was around to protect him.

My heart bleeds for the ordinary person out there.

On the contrary, I have no issue with a link to Condaleeza Rice discussing Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The bit I have a problem with is the constant, and therefore frankly boring, attempts to use that kind of thing to divert the thread into a discussion about the hypocrisy of the U.S.A. or the BBC or whoever else you feel like is not one hundred percent consistent, like that's the thing we should really be angry about right now, at this moment in time and in this crisis. What you said doesn't make me particularly uncomfortable, it just makes me shake my head a bit. There are constantly people coming along posting versions of what you're saying like it's some sort of original thought. It's not. It's just contrarian crankery at this point. As I have previously suggested, why don't you or the others who post the exact same kind of thing start a thread on the hypocrisy bit and stop trying to derail this one?

4) Ukraine isn't really a democratic country, it was overthrown by right wing Nazis who were carrying out genocide of ethnic Russians with the help of the CIA.

With all due respect, STFU.

we simply have to step up there will be a huge economic cost coming down the line due to this war and it will affect a lot of people .There is an awful lot of wishful thinking about change in Russia which will happen but at best it would be someone just a bit better than Putin and there will not be a complete change of systems in Russia .I wonder how many people in powerful postions either in the army or buiness in RUSSIA who might effect a change but it looks a fair bit away at the moment .We have to hope by putting sanctions in place we bring everything to its knees but that will take time not before huge damage and loss of life .

There is a valid concern now that other rogue states will see that there is precedent for using threats of a Nuclear Winter to achieve their malevolent aims.

Is Russel Brand some kind of expert or what?

Or is this more a case of you looking for someone authoritative who shares your views and this was the best you could come up with?

I wish they'd at least blur the face of the prisoner, while I'm not unhappy that his plane was shot down, this is the kind of propaganda that's hard to watch. Also gives the other side free material to use against Ukraine (just replace the audio with something else).

• What about <insert example of ongoing conflict unrelated to the Ukraine/Russia, eg Syria or Palesitine>
• What about <insert historical example of US aggressive behavior and foreign policy, eg Iranian Coup in 1950s, Iraq war and War on Terror>
• Statements intimating that some of the refugees may be 'far right' and therefore 'dangerous'

We can expect all of the above, and are already seeing it - its horrid - its pure disinformation, and false equivalency - Its Wrong. This is a black and white conflict. Russia under Putin is an aggressive dictatorship

I see you're getting your talking points from him, anyway. The first thing he gets into is what you're saying about Rice. It'll be good fodder for that thread I hear you're going to start on western hypocrisy.