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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    What time is tomorrow's protest and where does it start?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah they can repackage it and sell it to his own people any way they like. Its what "our side" would do if they hit civilians.

    It's incredible how positively the Ukranians are viewed when they take up arms against the attacking force and how it contrasts with how we view those who opposed the nvasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think I ever heard them referred to as brave for standing up to fight even when their equipmen was so technologically inferior.

    Propaganda is so important in these issues. I can't blame the Russians for control the narrative and painting themselves as liberators, any more than I blame our side for portraying the Ukranians as brave and virtuous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You do realise you're rambling away to yourself at this stage, don't you. Your mask slipped on this way back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,390 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe



    The poster I was responding to was calling on 'The destruction of Russia' - which is impossible as you'd have a nuclear conflict before that ever happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I assume this new Russian legislation "that introduces felony liability for disseminating fake information about Russia’s armed forces" doesn't actually include any of the fake information their state media or Putin spreads on a 24/7 basis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    If we set up a team of volunteers from Boards to go and fight in Ukraine, how long would we last before arguing among ourselves and shooting each other with javlins?



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Double post



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unsurprising to see the usual heads on here from the trump, conspiracy and similar threads defending Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    What are you waffling on about ?

    NATO interventions ....

    Operation Joint Guard, Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1992

    Operation Allied Force, Kosovo-Montenegro-Serbia in 1999

    These involved no fly zones and bopmbing of belligerents.

    Afghanistan War, Afghanistan in 2004

    Operation Ocean Shield, Somalia in 2009

    Military Intervention in Libya in 2011

    None of the countries involved were NATO members.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Ireland spends 3.6% of GDP on education.

    If Ireland has to spend roughly the same amount on defence, then there's going to be big cuts elsewhere...if this chart is correct, education spend is 9bn a year.

    https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I, for one, have never protested against Ireland threatening the world with nuclear weapons. The best we could do on that front would be using the microwave with its little door open, anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    So NATO are not a defensive pact for it's members?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Not sure, but we will probably get a glimpse of "Puss in Puts" inside the embassy. 😁

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Well, in that clip we saw a civilians apartment being hit. If the Russians say they were firing at ukranian military targets innthat building, then what? Do we say they were using the civillians as human shields or do we say, 'well, they have to sleep somewhere and the Russians bombed the civilians buildings".

    This scenario is not the same as your scenario in the post above, but they're pretty similar.

    Do we assume that Ukranian forces make sure there they never use civilians buildings to sleep or hide or eat or snipe or do reconnaissance, and therefore any civilians building shelled is a deliberate attack on civilians and not on the Ukranian forces?

    I doubt they have that luxury ton pick and choose their buildings. so I'd say there's no way for us to know if a civilian building was shelled out of malice or because there were legitimate targets inside. We tend to assume it was done out of malice and our news reports that the civillian building was shelled, but Russian news will probably report thst they were firing at Ukranian forces using civilians as a human shield. How do we tell the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Mother Russia spends 3.9% of GDP on the military. It could spend more on education and healthcare if it wasn't a warmonger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    The general public across Europe have given the nicely nicely softly softly approach to Russia long enough. I feel we are going to see a lot of Russian embassies and buildings up in flames this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    I was thinking to myself there should be a "B" division of wannabe member states who maybe get 20% level of investment with clear conditions on what needs to be fixed before becoming full members and all the good stuff that brings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Judging from what people on ground are saying in Eastern Ukraine, they're fighting like the blazes and screaming for air support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    How much of that money actually makes it to purchasing equipment or how many of the supplies purchased stay in the quartermasters buildings. Not a lot judging by the state of the frontline troops in the Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Every post you drop that has a weasel criticism of Putin is only a prelude to BUT AMERICA, which is what you really want to drone on about. Your agenda isn't even artfully disguised.

    I have a few thousand posts on this forum, but I've always been consistent, the Iraq war was wrong, and the Afghanistan intervention was 100 percent the correct call for America to make and they should have stayed the course with air cover and limited boots on the ground. So you can stick that one where the sun doesn't shine.

    I've had interactions with US troops before, I'm not high fiving them, but Iisten to their stories, and I don't apologize to some internet goon whose real agenda is to prattle 'yeah but' when a crystal clear destructive war is underway - and you can't bring yourself to concentrate on what the real problem is in this war.

    I don't equivocate. And in case you're lost and not clear as to what I posted earlier, people advocating for the US to withdraw from Europe are asking for the EU and the continent generally to chop off its own b*llocks and hand it to Putin for him to put in a jar.

    Hand wringers and snaking regarders like you don't want to admit it, but you live in a Europe that has had a security umbrella provided by the US since the end of WW2, allowing people to thrive, or in your case, sit in your jocks posting utter sh*te.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    вы говорите нам, что вы думаете

    😉

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Yes, it is starting to look like cronyism and corruption badly damaged them. Not badly enough to save poor Ukraine though. Their artillery still seems to work sadly and eventually they'll bring in the bombers too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    What I'm saying is that there is a far greater possibility of militant groups who don't subscribe to any rules of law, using civilians as human shields. I don't see an organised state army that subscribes to international law, deliberately using human shields or deliberately firing from apartment blocks to illicit return fire for propaganda. Certainly not in an organised or widespread manner.

    You were equating our war mistakes with what appears to be deliberate acts by Russia. We also know from history that this is the doctrine of Russian warfare, to level everything whether civilians are there or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I didn't suggest they'd use civillian buildings to deliberately attract Russian fire on the civilians within the building (that's what Russian media is saying BTW). I'm saying the Ukranian forces probably don't have the luxury of picking and choosing the buildings they use. If they could totally avoid using civillian buildings, maybe they would. So if our media says the Russians fired on a civillian building, and their media says they fired on ukranian forces within the building, how do we tell the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    And so the Russians I'm sure said they never invade Ukraine when they promised in an agreement to give up their Nucleur Weapons in 1994 and what happens in 2022? Yes Russia Invade a Sovereign country so they broke their promises. A defensive pact like Nato is still relevant when there is a humanitarian crisis just like all the people slaughtered in Srebrenica in 1995. Nato had to get involved after that in that war to stop a monster. What is the difference here with Putin and what he's doing? He's murdering innocent civilians. Enough is enough and that doesn't excuse the fact for Nato for them not to get involved because Ukraine are not a nato pact country. They way they are going I wouldn't trust them to even defend a small Nato aligned country either. They might deem it not important enough when the threat or nuclear weapons is waved about by Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    The benefit of having nuclear weapons is in not having to use them. Only a siege of Moscow would trigger an all-out strike

    Well that's the theory anyway, theories aren't always correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    From the same people who brought you Ted Hastings interrogating Cressida Dick outside Scotland Yard, an examination of the Londongrad Laundromat:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands




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