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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The probem with the entirety of that is presuming Russia has a right to dictate to other countries, what they can and can't do. Putin and his appologists are a laugh. The narrative is that the west should have listened to and believed Putin's threats: someone who didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of Litvinenko, didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of the Skripals, a policeman and the murder of Dawn Sturgess, didn't use a nerve agent called Novichok to commit those crimes, and who absolutely was not going to invade Ukraine, several times. Russia guaranteed the security and soverignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons, which they did

    Putin is a serial liar and his word means nothing, and yet it's our fault for not believing him? Explain how that works?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What an embarrassment those two specimens are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    We've bent over for Putin time and time again.

    Litvenenko

    Salisbury

    Crimea

    MH317

    Not once was he taken to task and he escalates each time. Just like they stood back and watched Hitler in the 30s hoping it wouldn't affect the west. 6 million Jews and millions of Europeans of all faiths, races and nationalities wiped out because we delayed in facing down a headcase.

    And once again we're back here except this time we get to watch it live on TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Are you trying to suggest that he would be better off trusting Putin???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You think 5,500 KIA is an acceptable quantam of loss *in the first week*? Come down from the clouds will you?

    Patriotism doesn't get you far when you're hundreds or thousands of kilometers from home, thinking you were on a training exercise, and all of a sudden you see the body bags by the dozen coming from the opposite direction.

    I don't know what your angle is, but if the figure is near the bullseye, there is no way the Russian troops are merrily whistling It's a Long Way to Tipperary right now.

    There are some amazing ride-along documentaries about Soviet/Russian troops in Afghanistan and Chechnya on YouTube. I'd advise you watch them. If you don't think Russian young men break in war because of some mad notion you have of irrepressible Russian patriotism, you're as tapped in the head as Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    if the Russians attack Ireland at least we have Clare Daly and Mick Wallace to use as interlocutors

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    They would bomb the inniscarra dam in cork and flood the city.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A horrendous war crime, and I don't think the UK or US has ever acknowledged that.



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Visa and Mastercard blocked in Russia by the companies themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It's about sticking to the 'rules of engagement' and not giving him an excuse to (further) up the ante.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I understand it's difficult and dangerous for Russians to stand up to Putin. But he's their cúnt, not Ukraine's. So it's up to them to fix the mess they've created. Why should Ukrainian kids be killed because Russians haven't yet stood up to Putin in sufficient numbers?



  • Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Infantry are cheaper than aircraft when there is no mass demonstrations at home and the infantry are not the sons of people who "matter".

    The compensation to the familes of dead soldiers was reported on BBC as being only 15000 dollars.

    It is noted that the army are making poor progress on account of little air support. He is saving his planes. I suspect Putin wants to be in a position where he pushes onward to Moldova, put troops in Belarus and establish a land bridge to Kalingrad if the circumstances allow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Banjaxed82


    In hindsight, given where we are now, is there anything to be read into Russia's exercises off the Irish coast?

    Or was it just a genuine jolly down the wild Atlantic Way for some war games?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I do wonder why there has been a sudden increase in larger missile use by the Russians the last couple of days.

    As mentioned before, when the yanks go on a crusade, it's usually a few weeks of missiles, take out all the key points and then they send the troops in. Russia have sent the troops in, they came to slow down and then they went to middle route.

    Are the missiles to raise low morale? Are they finding it difficult to get the troops to go into battle areas?

    They are going bigger with the strikes on Kharkiv. 6 days in and they are still on the outskirts of a City that's 30km from the border. There's no supply issues in Kharkiv. They launching missiles at random spots in the city. Wierd.

    The 40km convoy is an interesting one. Theres something not right about it. Surely that wasn't the plan? As mentioned on twitter, it's cold out there, they are using fuel/batteries to heat themselves up, running low on food. If they are having supply issues today, it will be worse tomorrow.

    If the Belarus troops go in that will be an act of panic. That would have always been a last resort measure. Lukashenko doesn't have the dominance in Belarus that Putin has. A War on Ukraine, sending their troops in to die just to keep Vlad happy. Even his own public support would be questioning that type of stuff. All out sanctions on them and they would suffer too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Got this from twitter, its embarrassing to have any Irish people on this list of shame. Clare and Mick.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭batman75


    I'm dismayed to see that the plan to give Ukraine fighter jets from countries across the EU has fallen apart. What chance do the Ukrainians have when this kind of nonsense is going on. What is it going to take for the EU to help the Ukraine in a meaningful way. Putin will kill millions if allowed will Europe just watch on from the sidelines say its awful etc.

    The two wallies Wallace and Daly should be shunned by the country or fecked off to Moscow to live under Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    Rules you say.. Putin has broken the rules and killed civilians.

    So it's okay for Putin but no, not the West. We have to be good boys and girls and do what Russia tells us.

    When do we say NO.. Not anymore, not now and not ever again will FEAR and TERROR win against the greater good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Don't believe everything that is being spouted online.

    I am 100% sure there are "Private Contractors" on the ground being paid for directly by western countries and have likely been there for a number of months. I am sure the statements that have been made are purely for optics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,096 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,500 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Yes, NATO can get involved if they consider it a humanitarian intervention without needing UN approval.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The fu^kers have brought international embarrassment to us. They were always an embarrassment to us when we knew what they were like but there was a hope that others wouldn't notice them. There needs to be something done about them but I don't know whether there is anything practical other than just waiting and hoping their electorate will turf them out at the next election.

    People could protest or sign petritions but I'd say that it would be easier to get Putin to resign than those pair of cu^ts. Hard necks on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    At least Ming had the good sense to change tack, and the SF clown probably got lifted out of it by HQ.

    Mick and Clare are out and out disgraces.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Isn't that more associated with Cervantes' Don Quixote (and I think he nicked it from a Roman saying) more so than being Irish saying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Hope Putin doesn’t try and make a statement of shock and awe during Bidens address.



  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nato and or the eu should demand a halt, immediate ceasefire and negotiations. Warn Russia that a no fly zone will be declared otherwise. Call putins bluff.

    This is the point in history on which nato and the eu will be judged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    If Putin wants to create the land bridge from Belarus to Kaliningrad, and flattens a path way through Lithuania, I do not believe for one second that the larger NATO countries would come to their rescue. I think Poland would but it seems the nuclear countries have the weapons but have absolutely zero intent on getting involved. You could say that's a good think but I don't think the NATO alliance is what it is cracked up to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    did seem to good to be true, Borrell over stepped, seems there are lots of anti-tank weapons in the pipeling but they will probably arrive too late

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    I get where you're going but your maths is a bit off. My younger sibling was born close to that date. Her grandfather was born in 1889. And no, his name wasn't Hitler :) Her other grandparent é.g. 1913.

    So the maths is off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well thanks for the useless essay

    Regardless whether you trust "any" media or otherwise, you do not need to "take sides" to view the many first hand accounts detailing the killing of innocent civilians as an illegal act during the current invasion.

    Again NATO are not involved. Individual countries are perfectly entitled to aid Ukraine during this unprovoked attack by Russia. Interestingly the Russian invasion of Ukraine is being aided and abetted by two other countries and yet not a word in criticism from you . Ukraine as an independent country is entitled to make agreements with whoever they wish free from the belligerent bullyboy tactics of your mother Russia or the tryant Putin. Ditto Ukraine can maintain a standing army and weaponry regardless of Russiaa views on same.

    If and or where there any rights abuses then that is a matter for international investigations, not you throwing shite at an entire country or your leader deciding to unilaterally attack and invade the same independent country which has made no attack or threat on Russia. Russia has had a hand of many many human rights abuses - all which seem to have completely escaped you attention.

    Your comments come across as pure unadulterated proxy. I sincerely hope you are getting paid for it.



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