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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Wouldn't really agree with that either...(war between NATO/Russia on their own territory) even were such possible in a nuclear bomb-less world.

    I think what's happening here is serious enough to justify such measures but agree to disagree I suppose as it is second time I replied to you on it.

    As I said before it is coming down to viewpoint on what access to a Western country provided by a visa is. A "right" of sorts attaching to a person that should not be taken away because that would be wrong unless they themselves did something to deserve punishment/have it denied them, or a "privilege" or gift given out by the state to some citizens of another which can be removed or denied for other reasons (in this case to punish that state and/or for our own protection from that state)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    You know that scene in inglorious basterds with the finger counting. same story for putinbots and their use of “Gaelic”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Banjaxed82


    Am I right in saying that NATO's fear of getting involved is the expenentiol escalation of the war, and it potentially going nuclear?

    Right, so if Russia invaded Estonia say, which triggers NATO's involvement, how is it any different? Sh!t's going down either way.

    So the west is just going to sit back and let Ukraine get annihilated because Putin plays the nuclear card?

    Call a spade a spade. It boils down to the west accepting that Ukraine is going to get fooked for the sake of appeasing this headbanger again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    No, when it gets left to a smaller amount of people then sabotage can occur.

    I reckon at least 3-4 people have the codes at high levels then the codes would be under lock and key at a submarine, missile silo. Then ultimately, somebody in the silo/sub will have to make the decision, whilst surrounded by people.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    and my grandfather was born in the 19th Century. An outlier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Just seen the footage from around the TV tower struck in Kiev earlier. Obviously too graphic to post but really horrible.

    5 civilians were killed because the fckers missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Miadhc


    They'll never be forgiven. Just ask the people of Dresden today 80 years after their innocent civilians were mass murdered in a firebombing by the Brits and Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    But we’ve heard Putin is willing to let 50,000 soldiers die at least in the first phase.


    Why do you think losses of 5,500 if true will effect an army after 1 Week???


    The fact you think the Russian army who are just as patriotic as the Ukrainians and have listened to Putin for 20 years will suddenly loose morale all of a sudden, well I don’t know what to tell you.

    They have been planning and preparing for this for years.


    Unfortunately it’s going to end one way unless boots on the ground intervene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Polar101


    EU parliament votes for tougher response against Russia

    637 voted "for"

    13 voted "against" (including Mick Wallace and Clare Daly)

    26 abstained.

    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/security/20220228STO24214/ukraine-parliament-calls-for-tougher-sanctions-against-russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Another thing the West needs to remember is that there appears to be a lot of young conscripted kids in the Russian army. Inexperienced and not very well trained.

    They're not going to be inexperienced after using Ukraine as a training ground for a few weeks. If they're gonna go on to try to roll into somewhere else then the next country might be dealing with a much worse situation.

    Which makes it even more important that it ends in Ukraine and as soon as possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like a crackdown taking place in Moscow. Independent TV Rain and radio Echo of Moscow taken off the air.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The probem with the entirety of that is presuming Russia has a right to dictate to other countries, what they can and can't do. Putin and his appologists are a laugh. The narrative is that the west should have listened to and believed Putin's threats: someone who didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of Litvinenko, didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of the Skripals, a policeman and the murder of Dawn Sturgess, didn't use a nerve agent called Novichok to commit those crimes, and who absolutely was not going to invade Ukraine, several times. Russia guaranteed the security and soverignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons, which they did

    Putin is a serial liar and his word means nothing, and yet it's our fault for not believing him? Explain how that works?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What an embarrassment those two specimens are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭threeball


    We've bent over for Putin time and time again.

    Litvenenko

    Salisbury

    Crimea

    MH317

    Not once was he taken to task and he escalates each time. Just like they stood back and watched Hitler in the 30s hoping it wouldn't affect the west. 6 million Jews and millions of Europeans of all faiths, races and nationalities wiped out because we delayed in facing down a headcase.

    And once again we're back here except this time we get to watch it live on TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Are you trying to suggest that he would be better off trusting Putin???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You think 5,500 KIA is an acceptable quantam of loss *in the first week*? Come down from the clouds will you?

    Patriotism doesn't get you far when you're hundreds or thousands of kilometers from home, thinking you were on a training exercise, and all of a sudden you see the body bags by the dozen coming from the opposite direction.

    I don't know what your angle is, but if the figure is near the bullseye, there is no way the Russian troops are merrily whistling It's a Long Way to Tipperary right now.

    There are some amazing ride-along documentaries about Soviet/Russian troops in Afghanistan and Chechnya on YouTube. I'd advise you watch them. If you don't think Russian young men break in war because of some mad notion you have of irrepressible Russian patriotism, you're as tapped in the head as Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    if the Russians attack Ireland at least we have Clare Daly and Mick Wallace to use as interlocutors

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    They would bomb the inniscarra dam in cork and flood the city.



  • Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A horrendous war crime, and I don't think the UK or US has ever acknowledged that.



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Visa and Mastercard blocked in Russia by the companies themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It's about sticking to the 'rules of engagement' and not giving him an excuse to (further) up the ante.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,743 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I understand it's difficult and dangerous for Russians to stand up to Putin. But he's their cúnt, not Ukraine's. So it's up to them to fix the mess they've created. Why should Ukrainian kids be killed because Russians haven't yet stood up to Putin in sufficient numbers?



  • Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Infantry are cheaper than aircraft when there is no mass demonstrations at home and the infantry are not the sons of people who "matter".

    The compensation to the familes of dead soldiers was reported on BBC as being only 15000 dollars.

    It is noted that the army are making poor progress on account of little air support. He is saving his planes. I suspect Putin wants to be in a position where he pushes onward to Moldova, put troops in Belarus and establish a land bridge to Kalingrad if the circumstances allow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Banjaxed82


    In hindsight, given where we are now, is there anything to be read into Russia's exercises off the Irish coast?

    Or was it just a genuine jolly down the wild Atlantic Way for some war games?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I do wonder why there has been a sudden increase in larger missile use by the Russians the last couple of days.

    As mentioned before, when the yanks go on a crusade, it's usually a few weeks of missiles, take out all the key points and then they send the troops in. Russia have sent the troops in, they came to slow down and then they went to middle route.

    Are the missiles to raise low morale? Are they finding it difficult to get the troops to go into battle areas?

    They are going bigger with the strikes on Kharkiv. 6 days in and they are still on the outskirts of a City that's 30km from the border. There's no supply issues in Kharkiv. They launching missiles at random spots in the city. Wierd.

    The 40km convoy is an interesting one. Theres something not right about it. Surely that wasn't the plan? As mentioned on twitter, it's cold out there, they are using fuel/batteries to heat themselves up, running low on food. If they are having supply issues today, it will be worse tomorrow.

    If the Belarus troops go in that will be an act of panic. That would have always been a last resort measure. Lukashenko doesn't have the dominance in Belarus that Putin has. A War on Ukraine, sending their troops in to die just to keep Vlad happy. Even his own public support would be questioning that type of stuff. All out sanctions on them and they would suffer too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Got this from twitter, its embarrassing to have any Irish people on this list of shame. Clare and Mick.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭batman75


    I'm dismayed to see that the plan to give Ukraine fighter jets from countries across the EU has fallen apart. What chance do the Ukrainians have when this kind of nonsense is going on. What is it going to take for the EU to help the Ukraine in a meaningful way. Putin will kill millions if allowed will Europe just watch on from the sidelines say its awful etc.

    The two wallies Wallace and Daly should be shunned by the country or fecked off to Moscow to live under Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    Rules you say.. Putin has broken the rules and killed civilians.

    So it's okay for Putin but no, not the West. We have to be good boys and girls and do what Russia tells us.

    When do we say NO.. Not anymore, not now and not ever again will FEAR and TERROR win against the greater good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Don't believe everything that is being spouted online.

    I am 100% sure there are "Private Contractors" on the ground being paid for directly by western countries and have likely been there for a number of months. I am sure the statements that have been made are purely for optics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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