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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,999 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So basically the Russians are realising they can’t win with the tactics they were employing up to now and they’ve decided to go down the route of Chechnya and start bombing the place indiscriminately.

    Even if putin gets Ukraine to surrender what has he achieved?

    Ukraine will never surrender and it’s population will remain opposed to him.

    It’s nuts on his behalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    When the Swiss join the sanctions you know Putin's junta days are numbered.

    They allowed the Nazis squirrel away their looted riches during WW2 in their banks.

    The NovoFuhrer and his lackies won't have this option now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,611 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Putin just wants a puppet government like he has in Belarus, so he has a buffer of compliance between him and Europe/NATO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Economics101


    It would be a waste of time to call you out as a Putin-enabler. Your post is total drivel from beginning to end. Even someone not much more than a half-wit could see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I don't think it does "bite you in the arse" actually. Definitely was not as easy to get whatever distorted rubbish the communist bloc were pumping out as propaganda in the Cold War deep into your noodle. You probably had to go to some kooky shop shop and purchase a weirdo pamphlet/newspaper. Now our societies are completely wide open to the poision of Russia and lots of others who wish us ill.

    (edit:) unrelated to reply...

    It's also bleakly funny seeing the populist right in Europe trying to backpeddle and distance themselves from their macho man Putin and Russia now as well. I hope the stink clings and they end up in the dustbin of history, embarrassments with zero political support or influence similar to likes of Oswald Mosley in UK or German American Bund in the US, or indeed Communist parties and their groupies/fellow travellers in Europe after USSR sent in the tanks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    "US intelligence says Putin is lashing out at subordinates and his inner circle in bursts of anger"

    I think I actually do understand now why you & some others want RT & Sputnik banned.

    You're not actually able to spot propaganda at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Talisman


    If you are creating your own messages then don't use Google Translate. Microsoft Translator is by far the best natural language translation product available and isn't likely to offend native speakers.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    By bulldozing Ukraine he's effectively baking in the sanctions for as long as he is Dear Leader. That wont go on indefinitely... he eventually has to eat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And people still don't see this, Putin portrayed as a monster, same game as with Saddam Hussein. They brought him to the point where he has nothing to loose anymore. That's why he's invading Ukraine. I think his days are numbered. It is indeed a very dangerous situation for Europe.

    He lied through his teeth about it and dispensed with diplomacy himself. If this was his only gripe you might reflect briefly but he annexed Crimea in 2014 and this is part of his vision of a restored Russian empire. You may have overlooked the threat of using nuclear weapons, more than once. That's not a misunderstood man, any more than this misadventure of invading an independent country is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Comparisons to 1939 are worthless. The rest of Europe is in either NATO or the EU which all have mutual defence clauses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most people knew that Putin was capable of what we are seeing now, invading another country and threatening to use nuclear weapons. Is there seriously many other countries we need to worry about doing this? It’s an oligarchy run from the top down, if Putin doesn’t press the big red button what stops the next guy being even crazier? The whole system needs changing. Nordstream 2 should never have been agreed in the first place. It puts a lot of money into the Russian military, if the price of oil wasn’t so high recently they couldn’t have funded this incursion. Just look at the arrogance of the Germans here.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm baffled as to why you've fallen for this nonsense.

    They cut off the pipeline only after Russia's aggressive moves in Ukraine, recognising the regions he deliberately destabilised in Ukraine with 'little green men', part of his gambit to detstabilise Ukraine and keep it out of EU\NATO orbit and as a puppet of Russia like Belarus. This has been coming since the Maidan Revolution.

    As for why don't the US don't intervene with boots on the ground, why do you think, because your non madman Putin is acting like a madman threatening nuclear retaliation against such moves. Europe wouldn't just be in ashes then, the world would be.

    Even within your post you're all over the shop.

    I suppose some people think cheap gas is more iimportant than Ukraine's freedom. Germany thought like that too until they came to their sense and saw the threat Russia represented to European peace. And yes, Ukraine is in Europe.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81






  • Did you miss the part where Putin went on live TV multiple times with his absurd justifications?

    You need to emerge from what ever rabbit hole you fell down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭omega man


    Putin has already lost.

    He may take Kyiv for a period of time, perhaps many months but ultimately they can’t control an angry, resentful and willing people.

    He has also served to only strengthen the ethos and principles of the EU and NATO, particularly in Eastern Europe.

    This has been an absolute disaster for Putin internationally and domestically and his actions will impact Russia for many many years to come.

    Sadly many Ukrainians will suffer and pay the ultimate cost but I truly hope in the long term Ukraine will return even greater than before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The comparisons with 1939 are about one bad actor invading an independent country, not about current military alliances. It also reminds us of how paranoia and victimhood can suck others in and broaden the theatre of war so yes it is relevant. This is a Putin war just as 1939 was a war of Hitler's making.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Google is and has been for years attempting to stop ISIS from using its services to recruit. That isn't just a ban it is out and out hunting any work around that group uses from getting its propaganda out. That is as much censorship as blocking RT.


    I agree with both decisions by google but acknowledge they are not quite the same as each other but they are similar styles. However as someone says the problem with censorship is that eventually they censor something you agree with. It all comes down to how you define extremism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Talisman


    That was a very brave decision to make for his country given China's position on the matter and it should be acknowledged. China has been militarily aggressive towards Taiwan for quite some time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    The Albanians didn't hold back at the UN

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Russia is in the position it finds itself in today not because of some fantastic conspiracy theory but because of the actions of its government and military. They should have been in this position back in 2014 but the West blinked and now a lot of Ukrainians are dying.

    We need to persist with this action until Putin and the other criminals are gone.

    The world needs to ensure Russia is demilitarised and undergoes denazification. It especially needs to remove nuclear weapons from Russia's arsenal.

    If civilians continue to be targeted then I believe neighbouring countries need to be more proactive to protect them. Enforced no fly zone and allowing Ukrainian air assets fly from their territories. At this stage what Russia have done is an attack on Europe and an attack on democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    It's a spectacular own goal. He was also counting on the EU being feckless. That looked to be the case in the first 24hrs, but he's done something that no amount of endless meetings has ever done - unite the EU. This lot usually take 20 years to agree a trade deal. In a few days they've acted in almost unison and inflicted harsh sanctions. Credit to the UK who seemed to kick it all off.

    He thought he could send limited troops, seize kyiv with minimal resistance, install a puppet government and due to this being so lightening quick and bloodless, Europe and the world would just denounce without much action. He misjudged Ukraine, he misjudged the EU and above all, he misjudged Zelenskyy who he thought was a joke figure that would hightail it out of Ukraine as soon as the Russian trucks rolled in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    China actually has a nuclear umbrella agreement with Ukraine, if one suffers a nuclear attack the other comes to it's aid. Strange, but it's real and signed under Yanukovych




  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah that is a known downside alright- was still interesting to watch in terms of what tactics they use including:

    1. Deflection - talk around and indirectly about the topic and bring all sorts of bullsh1t into the mix so it just becomes an anti-west rant
    2. Show slickly produced “documentaries” showing how Ukraine is really just part of Russia
    3. Placing value judgements interspersed with the news delivery - I guess US tv do this a lot also so it’s not unique to RT
    4. Completely ignore the news and what’s happening in Ukraine right now and just spew pro-Russian sentiment and anti-US propaganda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some thoughts on the Russian numbers problem.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,642 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Where is Putin's out?, it seems rather than backing off he is doubling down. Reports of soldiers going door to door in captured cities with lists of names and addresses - to dissapear people presumably as previously discussed here being the gameplan.

    He isnt backing off at all, if anything he is giving the world the two fingers, the longer this goes on the more cornered the rat becomes. I've read that former KGB officers reported him as having a lack of comprehension of danger which helped him take risks others wouldnt have, scary thought in the current situation.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You beat me to it.

    The US intelligence has been spot on in this saga, and a lot of people are now seeing the light.



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