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  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's an element of that which is universal, but I was talking to an African fella yesterday and while he, like all of us, can see Putin for what he is --a bully and a thief-- what he cared about most was the reports of mistreatment of Africans by Ukranians and others in the region.

    He stopped short of saying what I know some African-Americans would be saying: this war is some crazy white people sh1t. (Don't mention Rwanda, I suppose.)

    The African Union has put a carefully worded statement out about it:

    A twitter search for 'Africans' and 'Ukraine' is eye opening and provides another perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He could be killed, but I think he's budgeted for the idea that he's an assassination target and probably takes every precaution it is possible to take.

    If there were any credible hint of involvement by the West in his assassination, that could escalate rather than de-escalate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    They are kicking up **** because it is women and children only on the trains, and if any men are on the trains it is family. They seem to think it's the Titanic and they were in first class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well, I simply don't know the truth of it, or the answer. But the poster I was responding to was wondering about global solidarity and stories like this don't help. (I would prefer to see the type of solidarity AyeGer is looking for.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @MeepMeep2021 wrote:

    He stopped short of saying what I know some African-Americans would be saying: this war is some crazy white people sh1t. (Don't mention Rwanda, I suppose.)

    I suppose makes a difference from white people looking at wars in Africa and thinking: this is just some crazy African sh1t.

    It's a tough one. Obviously it's wrong, it shouldn't be happening. There are reports that black refugees are being sent to the back of queues at the border and told that "Ukrainians" have priority - even if that person is Ukrainian.

    Ukraine and Poland are still largely homogenous populations like Ireland before 2000, and we know that with that comes a lot of ignorance and assumption.

    But how do you deal with those issues in the middle of a war? An EU order to Poland to treat all refugees equally? Great. That'll be really helpful when it gets passed in 6 months' time.

    I would hope that Polish & EU leaders are hearing these reports and putting pressure on the military to sort it out, but to a certain extent it feels like a distraction during an emergency.

    Like you say though, there is the potential for an easy win here; get some North African nations on board in condemning Putin, perhaps even getting involved in sanctions, and you've got a level of unity that the world hasn't seen in centuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Ignore, need more coffee



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well Algeria should be happy... they will be selling surplus gas to the Eu to make up any Russian shortfall.

    Yes, it is messy. And saddening. And Russia is problem number one right now.

    I'm interested in other perspectives though. Here's a clip from the BBC that is going around the Arab world like wildfire. Speaking about 'European people with blue eyes and blond hair" has not gone down well AT ALL (and that's not good because of the solidarity aspect):




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Russian missile missed it's target of Kharkiv government buildings. A few more civilians hit





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    I live beside one of the main border crossings from Ukraine into Poland.

    I have interacted with both Indian and Africans.

    Language is most notably a major problem.

    At the moment any males in respective of nationality and are of able-bodied are not given top priority they are given food clothing ect but can wait till frail ingered sick woman children old are looked after.

    At least see with my own eyes they have all been treated with respect and dignity.


    Red Cross are trying to help them directly now.

    As problem aroused with some males trying to force there way onto shuttle buses transporting woman and children to designated areas of support.

    I believe all Indian students persons have be evacuated as private buses from England and persons dealt with them.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If Poland is allowing jets fly from its territory then Putin could send missiles or jets into Poland. This wont trigger Nato's article 5 as far as I understand it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I actually saw that. He did try briefly but eventually just let him ramble on and then the link was dropped. When someone wants to make an idiot of themselves you just leave them to it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    How do you know that? Based on what would you make that assumption? Putin said there's Nazis in the Country, the west said there isn't. There is in fact. The Ukraine President said he is Jewish, how could he be a Nazi? The Nazis in the Country are being funded by another Jewish person so yes the President could in fact be a Nazi. I'm not saying he is. But I'm not saying he isn't either.


    He has done nothing about the Nazi unit in the National Guard. Why? Not all seems as it first appeared. Ukraine is a corrupt Country. You might not like that. That's not my problem. Peace for the People, Russia must be stopped. But Putin isn't as weak as Members on here will have you believe. A lot on here are not half as concerned for the poor people of the Ukraine. Half are terrified of been nuked by Putin and I wouldn't blame them. But if they are as concerned about the Ukrainians as they say. Go and join the International Brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    No surprise that people tend to feel more for their own tribes. This is human nature. The guy is basically saying that he's emotional seeing his own kind getting butchered. The Arabs are just the same in Arab media when they talk about M.E conflicts. They even differentiate which kind of Arab i.e shia/Sunni.

    And like it or not, there is more shock at this happening in Europe. We're used to the M.E countries fighting it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not sure what these two are up to here. Contest here looks more like they disagree and they are trying to show some support for Putin.

    Mr Fridman and Mr Aven will contest the spurious and unfounded basis for the imposition of these sanctions - vigorously and through all means available to them to reverse unwarranted and unnecessary damage to the livelihoods and prosperity of their many employees, customers, partners and stakeholders and the businesses that they and their partners have built up over the past 25 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Can't say I'm an expert on Vietnam but it wasn't a war solely in Vietnam as other superpowers took sides and participated.

    Ukraine are alone. If the US joined them on the ground then I'd say fight as the US would hammer Russia. But Ukraine are going to be crushed, it's inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Considering that part of modern Weestern Ukraine was actually in Poland until brutally invaded by Hilter & Stalin in collusion in 1939, I would suggest that as Putin has indicated that he does not consider the post war modern borders of Europe legitimate, why should the rest of Europe or the world?

    Once he massacres hundreds of thousands of people all consideration of legitimate borders are an irrellevance & it's time for the world to act against this 21st century Hitler.

    It's up to Ukraine who & what military forces from other nations can access it's territory not some tyrant who still claims to be acting for a legitimate cause, so justifying a perverted invasion of mass murder & destruction.

    Slava Ukraine! Death to Putin!

    Post edited by purplepanda on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    Zero id say. It would result in nuclear strikes and the World won't risk that for a non NATO Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There's a level of heightened anxiety and panic in chaos of trying to get out of Ukraine. Women and children first is the de facto policy in such a sea of people and even at that there can be delays of up to 30 hours getting across. That kind of scenario must be unbelievably stressful and it is perfectly natural to think that other people are being favoured regardless of what tribe you are in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    It could even be all the missing supplies and fuel. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's up to Putin to challenge it as such, which he really won't but it will feed his paranoia even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,587 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Fair play to you. I'm not tech savvy so what do I have to do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    Good idea about the Google Reviews (if it's not blocked in Russia) but maybe people should be using Google translate to put them into Russian before posting? Not sure how the review algorithm works but assume it displays reviews in Russian to people in Russia first (like here the english ones are displayed first vs. other languages)?

    Worrying to see/hear about this convoy. Agree with the consensus that Putin has gone too far now to back out. Really horrific, heart goes out to all the brave Ukrainians and their families.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If Poland entered the war it wouldn't drag NATO into it.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks for civilized replies. I guess the table thumping posters that can only hold one idea in their head at a time and want to police the discussion as though this boards thread was the frontline rather than a talking shop haven't woken up yet. :)

    Like others, am going to disengage from thread for a bit. Every bit of righteous energy expended here is --let's be honest-- righteous energy that could have been expended elsewhere with more real world effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Taiwan will join moves to block some Russian banks from the SWIFT international payments system “in lockstep” with Western countries, Premier Su Tseng-chang told reporters on Tuesday.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Search on twitter.. there is text there you can copy and paste. Do your due diligence. I left a fair few myself. Of course I had to weight up the ethics of leaving a five star review on what might in reality be a very poor eaterie, but in the circumstances felt it was worth it ;) :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Google to block RT and Sputnik news from YouTube in Europe.

    Not sure how I feel about this one. Censorship like this always seems to have a habit of coming back to bite you in the arse.

    They got demonetised at first, which I agreed with as they're state owned - but banned completely for European viewers? hmmm



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Very weird... I wonder if what he was very clumsily trying to get at with the racial stereotypes was maybe an expectation (of "non Europeans" - don't know man's background, judging by appearance!? [edit ironically]) that Western Europe (where the "white people" are from) is supposedly stable, secure, wealthy and unlike other parts of the world is unlikely to have wars break out + associated death & destruction + floods of refugees. Ukraine is on the border of the EU after all.

    W. Europe is one place the poor & those made refugees look to go to + is expected to take on a burden of sheltering them, wherever else in the world there is war going on. Suppose it's still that, as I sit in peace at home but looking somewhat more precarious, likely to become more so if Putin succeeds with what he is trying to do here.



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