Random EV thoughts.....

cannco253 · 26-02-2022 09:27PM

https://www.electrive.com/2022/02/21/phihong-technology-to-supply-shell-with-chargers/

The devils · 27-02-2022 07:43AM

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 02:56PM

I'm starting to see petrol over €1.80 at motorway services now. I wonder if it'll hit €2 soon

I genuinely feel bad now for people stuck in petrol cars, shouldn't need to pay triple digits to fill the car

TitianGerm · 27-02-2022 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702779#Comment_118702779

We have a Karoq and an ID3. Brought the Karoq to Kilkenny yesterday and it averaged 7.1L/100KM.

Filled it when I got home and it was €80. It's been mainly used for short journeys so it's usually less efficient.

unkel · 27-02-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702779#Comment_118702779

Why do you feel bad? It's about time petrol and particularly diesel should be taxed much higher. The smarter people have already realised this and switched to EV. You don't have to be rich for that either, you can buy an EV for a couple of grand and that money is saved within a year by cheaper fuel, tax, insurance, maintenance

Fantana2 · 27-02-2022 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702923#Comment_118702923

I'd agree as a second car, if you want a car EV capable of 300km plus or live in a house without a home charger your sort is stuck with an ICE.

RandomViewer · 27-02-2022 07:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702923#Comment_118702923

"Couple of grand", examples ?

unkel · 27-02-2022 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704524#Comment_118704524

Yep, there's an i-Miev for sale for €3k on DoneDeal, has been for sale for quite some time. I'd say a bit over €2k will take it. I personally bought a Renault Fluence Z.E. last summer also for just over €2k. You can get the occasional tatty high mile Leaf for around €3k

If you are driving a worthless petrol / diesel banger, it's cheaper to give it away for free or scrap it and buy any of the above. Even if you don't have a cent of savings, you could probably get a loan for a couple of grand (although I would never recommend financing a car)

unkel · 27-02-2022 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704102#Comment_118704102

I want a 6000sq ft detached mansion built to passiv standard in Dalkey with seaviews and a super efficient and environmentally friendly heat pump. Unfortunately I have to make do with a small semi-D in Lucan with gas heating

😂

Both my cars are EVs though and I have a very large solar PV and solar thermal setup. We can all only do so much...

RandomViewer · 27-02-2022 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704710#Comment_118704710

Old Leaf will have battery degraded so charging nightly, it'll be costing you a tenner a night to charge, 70-80km range.

TitianGerm · 27-02-2022 08:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702923#Comment_118702923

There's plenty of people commuting over 100KM to Dublin for work every day in older cars. Everyone doesn't have the money to buy an electric car that can do that milage.

garo · 27-02-2022 09:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705254#Comment_118705254

A tenner a night? Does it have a 100kWh battery? With all due respect you are talking absolute rot.

unkel · 27-02-2022 09:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705254#Comment_118705254

Worst maths I have seen in a long time 😂

Let's see if I can do slightly better. The oldest Leaf had 22kWh battery available when new. And a range of maybe 140km (not at motorway speeds). Let's say the battery is 50% degraded for a range of 70km you mention. This means there is now just 11kWh available

To charge from completely empty to completely full costs 11kWh plus say 10% for charging losses. So 12.1kWh. A quick look at bonkers.ie shows a night rage available of 9.35c / kWh, so 12.1 * 9.35 = €1.13

Not quite a tenner ;-)

unkel · 27-02-2022 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705273#Comment_118705273

Lucky them, they live in either a very nice big house or a very cheap one. The money saved there is plenty to pay a bit extra for their commute. We have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels. Soon. This also means gas and oil prices for heating houses should go up. And I can't afford to install a fancy heatpump system and have my house deep retrofitted to a better insulated spec. So I have to brace myself for paying a lot more for the heating bill in the coming years. That's life.

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118702923#Comment_118702923

We'll unfortunately the "tax" at the moment is a bunch of oil companies making a nice profit

I agree that a lot of people dismiss EVs when they'd live with them quite easily, but there is a fairly large chunk of the country who don't have driveways or second cars and can't really justify the selection of cheap EVs available now. They're the ones I'm feeling bad for

The guys who bought a diesel Q7 because they drive 200km twice a year and "couldn't live with the charging" won't get much sympathy from me

There needs to be a bit more focus towards affordability, maybe through an enhanced scrappage scheme or something

unkel · 27-02-2022 09:53PM

I'd say the overwhelming majority of people doing a 100km commute into Dublin in their car, have a driveway ;)

Also the vast majority of what you pay at the pump for petrol and diesel goes to the state as excise duty and VAT. The oil companies get a tiny bit, so do the petrol stations.

RandomViewer · 27-02-2022 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705340#Comment_118705340

Current unit price is 0.21 plus levies and vat, it'll still draw to charge 24kw and take 8hours to charge, even if its got a 40mile range. Not practical

unkel · 27-02-2022 10:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705669#Comment_118705669

Nonsense. Pretty much every (non-retarded) EV owner in the land has a night rate meter, see the 9.35c / kWh rate incl. VAT for yourself on bonkers.ie

There is only 11kWh to charge, which takes about 3-4 hours...

RandomViewer · 27-02-2022 10:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705432#Comment_118705432

Electricity prices will be the tell, a couple grand on diesel or an extra couple of grand on electric bill , Unless unit prices are set for years at a time I cany see it working

RandomViewer · 27-02-2022 10:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705366#Comment_118705366

Some masochistic issues there ,wee man.

unkel · 27-02-2022 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705702#Comment_118705702

Nah, I prefer to leave a livable world to my children and their children without extremely disastrous climate events that can no longer be avoided. Unfortunately many people are still too ignorant and / or too selfish to realise this.

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 10:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705694#Comment_118705694

We'll even if electricity prices go up by the same percentage it'll still favour EVs since the drivetrain is more efficient

Plus electricity can be generated from other sources than gas. Although I did find out that Russia is one of the biggest exporters of coal, so I guess we'd better hope for a sunny and windy year ahead

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705632#Comment_118705632

Ah you know that RTE will dig out that one chap who lives in an apartment in Athlone and commutes to Dublin each day. And based on that example the EVs will never work for anyone 🙄

I know the majority of what is paid at the pump goes to tax and tbh I'm fine with that, government will put it to better use than oil companies. But the taxes haven't gone up in the past few weeks, only price of oil has (due to world events which shall not be discussed here)

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 10:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705732#Comment_118705732

Shouldn't you be taking the bus everywhere then 😉

unkel · 27-02-2022 10:24PM

We need to do a lot more than hope. Get our fingers out and install plenty more PV and wind.

In other news, Tesla is temporarily opening up superchargers near the Ukrainian border for all EVs and is also making them free to use for all

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 10:29PM

I wonder will Ionity follow suit?

Maybe they'll drop the prices to 70c/kWh 😒

unkel · 27-02-2022 10:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705824#Comment_118705824

The funny thing is that it is more environmentally friendly to drive around in your EV than to go on a diesel Dublin bus. And that's apart from the fact that public transport in Ireland is atrociously poor. Takes about 3 hours to go from my house to the airport. 15 minutes in the car.

the_amazing_raisin · 27-02-2022 10:54PM

Oh I'd well believe it, used to get the bus from Leixlip during my prison sentence in that small chip making outfit there

Bus was always full every time we tried to get one

And Dublin Buses seeming aversion to electric buses despite the fact that you can walk out of a house on one side of the city after breakfast and make it to the other side of the city in time for an early dinner makes EVs all the more attractive

PaulJoseph22 · 28-02-2022 12:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118705824#Comment_118705824

Bicycle and walking so….

creedp · 28-02-2022 09:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704710#Comment_118704710

No problem promoting EVs but the reality is that the supply of reasonably priced EVs is currently pitifully small. For the majority there is no real option but to continue to drive an ICE for some time yet. Even people willing to pay up to €60k for new EVs are waiting months to get one. If everyone took the advice to ditch their ICE and move to an EV can you imagine the waiting lists and used prices people would be faced with

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