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N21 - Newcastlewest [route options published]

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    #32
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,733 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The Pink route would seem to make more sense if it joined the existing N21 where the Orange route does on the Limerick side of the town. On the Kerry side, for just 1km extra of road, it could remove the sweeping bend from the N21 (but also then needs a new link road for the town, like the western end of the Green route). As it is drawn, Pink looks merely alright but if the western tie-in was moved a bit further west and the eastern tie-in was moved a bit further east, it becomes much more attractive IMO.


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    #33
    Intern4l
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that very wide indicative lines on the map don't necessarily mean a right angle junction. They can easily change the path of the current N21 to tie in seamlessly with the new road.

    Your correct. The Corridor (line) represents a 400m span to which they can manoeuvre within that constraint and as a dual carriage way is only about 25m wide plenty of room to refine.


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    #34
    marno21
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    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/motoring-news/623708/traffic-surveys-planned-for-limerick-towns-as-bypass-projects-are-progressed.html

    Traffic surveys to commence next week


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    #35
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Dont think its a great time to be doing a survey when people cant even leave their own county


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    #36
    L1011
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    They haven't got much choice - delay everything for what could easily end up being nearly two years from start to finish (if you were due to do the survey March 2020); or apply some correction factors based on what reductions we know are happening nationwide on other counters.


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    #37
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    In some ways, it may make things clearer: if traffic levels are lower overall, people will take the more direct route to their destinations.


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    #38
    tubbs26
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭tubbs26


    Delighted to see something being done here. Travel from Kildare to Kerry regularly and anything that shortens the journey is welcome.

    Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between a relief road and a by pass? To me these options look like by passes. Does a relief road have junctions whereas by pass has flyovers?

    What would the road around Enfield in Meath built in the 00s be considered?


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    #39
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    tubbs26 wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between a relief road and a by pass?

    Honestly I don't think there is a difference.
    Relief road is a silly name that implies that building more roads "relieves" traffic in the urban centre. "Big Road Past a Town" would be a better name.


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    #40
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    A bypass takes through-traffic out of a town or city. A relief road re-routes traffic within a town or city.

    The confusion is that, in the past, we've built relief roads and pretended that they were bypasses (e.g., Dungarvan, Sligo)


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    #41
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Preferred route by end of 2021

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/motoring-news/675739/hundreds-of-submissions-received-regarding-plans-for-bypasses-of-limerick-towns.html



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    #42
    marno21
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    Preferred route to be published next Tuesday.



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    #43
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Limerick74


    Preferred route published https://n21newcastlewest.ie/



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    #44
    marno21
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    Preferred route published @ https://www.n21newcastlewest.ie

    North of the town with a junction on the R521 to Foynes. Planned to be off to ABP in 2023. There is a strong likelihood of this getting built given the pro-bypass plans of the Government

    Post edited by marno21 on


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    #45
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Limerick74


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118141370#Comment_118141370

    Where did you get "next year" for submission to ABP? The scheme brochure says 2023 for Submission to An Bord Pleanála?



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    #46
    marno21
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118141678#Comment_118141678

    I corrected my initial post there my apologies, I hadn’t seen at the time either that you had posted before me.

    Either way, good to see this moving forward. If it does get to ABP and beyond at that timescale the N21 will look very different by 2030.



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    #47
    spacetweek
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118141370#Comment_118141370

    Yes but will it still be dual carriageway or will it get downsized?



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    #48
    pajoguy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143374#Comment_118143374

    Type 2 Dual Carriagway at best Id imagine. Castleisland/tralee bypass spec.



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    #49
    marno21
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    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/planning/695324/opposition-grows-over-preferred-route-for-bypass-of-limerick-town.html



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    #50
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    For gods sake the Greenway runs alongside the N21 around Rathkeale and up the hill near Templeglantine next to the road itself so that sounds like fishing for problems, it won't destroy it.



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    #51
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The Leader is a rag and these types of articles should be ignored. Theres no actual story here. People have put submissions into the public consultation on a 300m wide corridor. So what? That's what it's for and any issues will be dealt with when is comes to designing the actual route.



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    #52
    Spiaire
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Spiaire


    That so-called "newspaper" is a joke.


    Reminds me of the Sandford Gazette in "Hot Fuzz"....



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    #53
    awaywithyou
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    would have thought myself that if eventually there will be a dual carriageway from limerick city to the kerry/limerick border at fealesbridge.. that having the bypass south of newcastle west would have made more sense as if tempeglantine were to be bypassed it would prob have to be south of the village... and the chosen route for abbeyfeale is south of the town



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    #54
    Spiaire
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Spiaire


    Great story, bro.



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    #55
    marno21
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    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/planning/697196/limerick-greenway-will-not-be-affected-by-proposed-bypass-of-county-town.html


    Concerns addressed



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    #56
    Pete_Cavan
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    It was so obvious that it shouldn't have been needed to be said. Some people just love to stir up a bit of fear for no other reason than it gives them an opportunity to stand in front of a few people talking shite. Its pathetic really.

    Post edited by Pete_Cavan on


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    #57
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Limerick74


    RTE jumping on the bandwagon https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/1122/1262507-limerick-greenway/



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    #58
    Spiaire
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Spiaire


    Frankly, RTE stopped being a respectable and trusted organ of the press quite some time ago.


    They are still an organ of sorts, but I'm not going to specify which one, on this family-friendly site..



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    #59
    marno21
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    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/208151/1/0

    Tender out for topographical surveys along the route.



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    #60
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I posted a composite of this scheme and the Abbeyfeale scheme preferred routes on the Abbeyfeale thread, here: N21 - Abbeyfeale [route options published] — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'



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    #61
    Chris_5339762
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    The Greenway groups are most unhappy about the northern route chosen for the bypass, so expect this to be fought. TBH I'm not sure why they went north and not south.



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