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N21 - Newcastlewest [route options published]

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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Most of the town is to the north of the existing road so there's a logic in routing the bypass to the north. The existing road will then act as a relief/distributer road for the south of the town.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Why? Presumably the greenway and bypass will be grade-separated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Absolutely. They are moaning about the peace and quiet being ruined by two over/underbridges, both of which will be for a 2+2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Any greenway that goes between places where people live will always have to cross over or under a busy road at some point. They’ll live.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I assume it's people with more selfish objections dragging the Greenway into it to garner more support for themselves.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tender out for ground investigation for the route



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Just a general question. I travel from Dublin to Kerry about 10 times a year and pre pandemic passing through NCW was never that bad really...maybe some congestion from about the hotel to that funky furniture store and that would be it. However since the main pandemic restrictions have lifted in late January, its like the 3 times I've travelled down the tailbacks are a km before the Tesco entrance. Yesterday was the worst I encountered. Has anyone else noticed this? I wonder why it's worse now....It feels as bad as Adare lately.

    This new bypass can't come fast enough!!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Route selection report was published last year.

    At this stage, we are looking at 7.3km of Type 2 dual carriageway.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Ground Investigation Works nearing completion; The N21 Project Team would like to thank landowners and property holders for their ongoing co-operation and assistance during the recent Ground Investigations. The majority of works are due for completion in the coming weeks, although there will be some ongoing monitoring of standpipes over the next 12 months.

    Archaeology Geophysical Survey: This targeted survey has commenced and will inform where archaeological features could be found on the scheme. It is anticipated that this survey will be completed by the end of May 2023. 

    Noise Surveys due to commence in April/May 2022; Noise impacts will be assessed as part of the Environmental Impact Assessment process. Impacts on residences and communities due to noise will be minimised by avoiding houses and villages wherever possible, and where necessary, noise barriers such as earth bunds or fences may be proposed to mitigate the impact.

    The scheme will be required to comply with national standards on noise levels, and the design and construction of the scheme will be carried out in accordance with TII’s Environmental Assessment and Construction Guidelines.


    To determine where mitigation is required, modelling of noise levels will be undertaken in accordance with TII Phase 3 (Design and Environmental Development) of project development. An initial assessment of the Route Options was undertaken at earlier stages in the project, and now detailed assessment can be undertaken of noise impacts along the Preferred Route Corridor.

    To develop the noise model, noise monitoring will be undertaken at various locations in the study area. The locations will be selected in-line with TII Noise Guidelines. Noise monitoring is not required at every dwelling house - the selected locations will be representative of the wider area and will be chosen based on a variety of factors and how representative they are of the surrounding area. The noise model will be checked against the results of these on-the-ground noise surveys to verify the accuracy of the model, allowing noise impacts to be determined along the full length of the route. The noise model will allow the project team to assess noise impacts at every dwelling in the study area. It will take into account traffic numbers, ground levels and the design of the proposed scheme.

    The noise model will allow the design team to determine the location, extent and type of noise mitigation required, and these measures will then be included in the scheme design. The Environmental Impact Assessment Report for the scheme will also include details of the noise impacts and the mitigation proposed.  

    The latest. This is one of the schemes that seems immune from the wrecking ball of the bike salesman.



  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭Limerick74




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Kudos to @pajoguy for posting on the M21 thread

    • 100m corridors to be revealed in Nov/Dec 2023
    • ABP in summer 2024
    • Assuming two years at ABP and a decision in mid 2026, and no judicial review, construction to start in 2028
    • Completed by summer 2031

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1320146/houses-knocked-and-eighty-farmers-affected-for-limerick-bypasses.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    A 7 or 8km bypass isn't going to take three years to build. Some of the construction timelines they state are ridiculous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Norteño


    Maybe Eamon Ryan is doing it himself.

    By bicycle.

    😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Can you just fúck off with this sort of crap. The worst part is that you think its funny.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Constructive posts only please. This scheme is actually moving at a comparatively fast pace all things considered and I’m not sure how this type of comment adds to the discussion in any productive way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭lordleitrim




  • Registered Users Posts: 31 Pale Red


    I would think 3 years has a lot of contigency given that they expect to build the Adare bypass by 2027 in time for the golf. It depends on if they build all of that scheme or just the Adare part. However, if you look at the time it is taking to upgrade the Snugboro Road junction on N3 then 3 years construction is ambitious.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The N3 project is an online upgrade of a live junction though.

    The two N21 bypasses will be fully offline. Only online elements will be the tie in roundabouts at either end



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Any chance you'd tell us why you think it's nonsense...?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Isn't it awful ballacks that it takes JP and Golf to make this bypass an actual proposition when it's been needed for 40 years plus



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The bypassess of Newcastle West and Rathkeale have literally nothing to do with JP or the Ryder Cup and won't be under construction until we'll after the tournament is over.

    The Adare bypass was being built whether the Ryder Cup was happening or not. The project design predates the awarding of the tournament.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭cjpm


    The project design of the M20 long predates the golf too. Mr Ryan isn’t in too much of a hurry to build it though…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭pigtown


    The M20 has been redesigned and is all the better for it. It's proceeding through the planning process and nobody in government is suggesting it should be delayed



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Paddico


    How long is a piece of string question but when its this expected to start?

    Guessing some time after 2028?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I think it’s too far off from construction to be able to give you a particular year, but yeah I’d say near the end of the decade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Great to se its dual carriage way though. Some sense prevails



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