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Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Porterhouse would also have easy access to cask thanks to their London pubs

    Are Irish spoons doing the whole no EU products thing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No, they make a big thing of having Guinness and Jameson; and they've a rake of other EU drinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I remember he made a big thing about it in the UK but not sure if it's still a thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,265 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Ya I remember having a couple of cask ales in Salt House, I'd say a good 8 years ago at least. Not for me, feel like it was no longer there last time I went in, maybe 3 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Cask always reminds me of a Billy Connolly sketch where he says run a mile if anyone tells you that you "must try the local thing" he reckons there is a good reason why the local thing stayed local.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,805 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Was in the Camden St venue yesterday. It is a really good good job, some amount of work has gone into that restoration. The chapel inside it is pretty unique and the main bar has a large atrium that lets in a lot of light from the beer garden below it.

    They're definitely still having some teething problems with staff, we were sitting near enough to where the food comes out from the kitchen and could over hear a lot of confusion on orders, table numbers, etc. I suppose that will iron itself out in time but it shows that their training must have been lacking. Our own food took about 25 minutes to arrive, lucky we weren't in a rush but it was at lunch time when many people would be to get back to work.

    Their in house magazine says that they are opening the next two pubs on December 14th. One is called The South Strand which is the old Herbstreet venue at Hannover Quay in Grand Canal Dock. It will have a ground floor and basement, cost of development is 4 million. The other is the Waterford venue which will be named An Geata Arundel, it is inside an old bank and ladies clothes shop, development cost of 3.8 million. The magazine didnt mention anything of the Galway venue so presumably its still a fair bit away, probably sometime in 2022.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    And I see BRÚ has done a brown ale for this year's Autumn festival. It's a while since any Irish breweries have featured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Isn't it the old Ely HQ premises rather than Herbstreet? It's a large place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭SteM


    Yeah, it's the place beside herbstreet. It's a large venue alright, it's been closed for quite a while now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its the full unit that Ely used there - so what was more recently HQ plus Nutbutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Big fan of the south strand, well laid out, reasonable prices, staff seem to have copped on early, gonna be my go to spot if we have a decent summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Wetherspoons Camden street - you must wear a mask inside.

    Bouncers demand it. Is this legal?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Yes. There are specific reasons for which a business may not refuse service. Mask wearing isn't one of them. Dress codes are legal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Isnt it still the case you have to wear a mask entering but can then take it off when seated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    No that requirement was lifted. Mask wearing currently required in retail, public transport and schools. Due to be reviewed end of Feb.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    ah right thanks, I didnt know they dropped it for pubs and restaurants. Hopefully it gets dropped for everywhere at the end of Feb. I always thought it was pointless in supermarkets when the medical experts said you have to talk to someone for 15 minutes for the virus to be transmitted, Im in and out asap and talking to no-one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    They can demand that you wear yellow socks and a pink scarf for entry if they wish - once they apply the same rules to everyone.


    This sh1te of asking if an establishment or retailer or other PRIVATE business has a legal right to have conditions of entry has got so boring.


    I saw a parent get on his high horse over a mask requirement in a sports arena last summer claiming that it was illegal to request that (outdoors). Most people just laughed at his stupidity. But it meant his kids did not play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I think what beernut means is that pubs can make there own decisions regarding clothing. One example would be some places require you to wear a collared shirt for instance. There are certain things you cant refuse people entry such as race, religion, gay, gender etc but mask wearing as part of a dress code would not come under those laws.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    so you’re saying they’ve no legal basis to refuse you for not wearing a mask?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They dont need a specific legal basis unless it breaches some other right with a legal basis.

    Like dress code. Or table service only. Or no drinks on stairs or dance floor. It is their call. They are not enforcing a government rule but a 'house' rule within their own prerogative.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    Ok so you can refuse service for pretty much any reason unless that reason falls under a specifically protected category.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    It's completely legal for a venue to enforce a dress code. If a mask is part of that dress code then that's their legal entitlement.

    It's a private business and as I said earlier unless they break certain rules regarding discrimination It's no different to asking people to wear certain clothes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭DelmarODonnell


    That advice on the 15 minutes got old very very quick in the pandemic. I'm not sure it was ever correct but certainly as new variants emerged, it was fairly obsolete. But sure how and ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    There's a pub down my way. Where a woman had dinner with her family ate drank left and then phone the pub back later telling them they had to take down all related covid and health signage and the hand washers.

    What sort of world and mentality do folks like this inhabit. She was probably angry and seething enough to give out to the youngwan who takes the bookings on the phone. Morons.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I was talking to a friend who has a business (Not a pub) and they are still regularly receiving emails from anti vaccine people about various measures the business still has in place for customers. A bit of amateur lawyering, a few questions, a few complaints but thankfully no outright threats. I think it's a given that all customer-facing workers have had to deal with these guys being awkward face to face as well. Wouldn't fancy it.

    I drove past that Wetherspoons on Camden Street the other night, and what struck me is that the lights are mega bright inside - is that a Wetherspoons policy?

    On the name - Keavan's Port - I gather this relates to Irish name of Camden St (Sraid Port Caoimhin?). Where did they get the anglicisation, is Keavan a name used anywhere else in relation to the street?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I saw something written on the wall about it when I was there last year, from their own website:

    "The pub takes its name from the history of the local area, where Camden Street Upper and Camden Street Lower form part of an ancient highway into the city of Dublin.

    The two streets were previously known as St Kevin’s Port.

    In a series of old maps and records, the name is listed as Keavans Port (1673), St Kevan’s Port (1714), Keavan’s Port (1728), St Kevan’s Port (1756) and then St Kevin’s Port (1778) – renamed after the first Earl of Camden.

    The name Keavan’s Port/St Kevin’s Port was derived from the church of St Kevin, in nearby Camden Row, said to have been founded by a follower of the sixth-century hermit.

    St Kevin also features in the poem ‘St Kevin and the Blackbird’ (1996) by the Nobel prize-winner Seamus Heaney, in which he describes how the Irish saint held out a ‘turned-up palm’ for a blackbird to nest.

    Until the 1940s, the property had been the convent of the Little Sisters of the Assumption, established in the 1890s.

    The sisters nursed the ‘sick poor’ in their own homes, and their former chapel has been preserved and forms part of the new pub and hotel."



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    The lighting is not so much Wetherspoon policy as normal for Britain. I'm convinced that when posters on this thread say JDWs have no "atmosphere", they mean they're bright and have no piped music. It induces an uncanny-valley feeling of weirdness if you're not used to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Or maybe it's because we turn on bright lights at closing time when we want people to f off out of the place!

    "Closing time.. ugly lights... everybody's inspected" (Prince, U Got The Look)

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    When I lived in Manchester in the late 90's, the 'spoons were avoided because of the bright lights and lack of atmosphere. We did have Holts pubs for cheap beer as an alternative though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    Spoons in Cork isn’t too bright. I don’t get the obsession with pubs having to be dark.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I recommended Frank Ryan's to some English visitors to Dublin some years back. Probably should have suggested they bring head torches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    I actually thought I was losing my sight when I first visited Frank Ryan’s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭hynesie08




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  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Feels like sitting in a cafe instead of a pub. The ones that also have the tables laid out in grids are even worse, they're like sitting in a big canteen.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    In the UK Wetherspoons are making more than a third of their sales from food, they really pushed cheap tea, coffee and breakfast and I guess it made sense with the older demographic of their customers. In that context, I can see how brighter lights would make sense during the day at least.

    It's a long time since I worked in the pub trade, but in some of the late pubs I worked in it's just as well the lights were turned down as low as they were, because if people could have seen the state of the surfaces they might not have been too happy. We didn't so much clean anything as take a damp cloth and wipe accumulated filth and dried beer about until it had a slightly different texture of stickiness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not just Spoons it's most UK pubs whether they have food or not. Staff I managed in London though I was going loopy when I tried to explain to them that it's important to turn lights down not up in the evening. I found customers in London preferred the dark pubs too it's just they were so used to mediocrity they didn't realize the wanted it till you showed them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,153 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    This is something I often hear but it just doesn't fit with my experience of British pubs, at all. It really doesn't. I can't ever remember being in a British pub and thinking that the lighting was in anyway too bright. I tend not to go into Spoon's in UK, though.

    To me, it seems that Irish people experience a bright pub or two and then extrapolate that all British pubs are too bright all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was in plenty in my almost 10 years over there and its not one or two. Lots of big clear windows and lights on full at night is very common. Most of the exceptions in my experience were in around Soho where there are a lot of pubs in the little pokey traditional style especially round Covent Garden and also the Sam Smiths chain which are all over that area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Big clear windows and lights on full at night - sounds like The Old Stand!

    Not a place to go for a sneaky drink when you were supposed to be elsewhere... or with someone else!

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Went to Wetherspoons in Grand Canal last night. Worse than expected. Due to a "late delivery" they only had about a quarter of their taps working. No sign on anything though, so you had to keep pointing and asking about something and then be told if they had it or not. Same went for some of the bottled beers I asked about.

    Food was barely warmed up, and not really great value either.

    Wouldn't really be bothered going back.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I would trust the app before what any member of staff said about what's available. In Camden Street on Sunday I asked for a pint of one of the beers and the barman (one of the management types, not a kid) told me that the badge is only there for decoration. When I said it was on the app he said it shouldn't be, then tried the tap, then poured me a pint of it. All part of the interactive entertainment you get for only €2.95 😁

    Camden Street seems to be the only one in Dublin with a decent selection and turnover of cask beers, though it's good to see Jaipur is all but permanent in the others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I was trying to order via the table QR code and website, and it didn't seem to have some things on the table menu so I went up to the bar. No punk on draught, no Hazy Jane in bottles, so went with the grapefruit IPA.

    This was after the first time ordering when most of what I asked for wasn't available. They had no Jaipur, as it was the first thing I asked for.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    No Jaipur, no forgiveness 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,051 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No Punk and no Jaipur. How bad do you have to be to run out of the same beer twice 😀



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Is it the same? Haven't been to Wetherspoons since the one on Abbey St. opened, and I had a load of vouchers for Punk that time.

    So don't think I've had Jaipur, but it just sounded like what I wanted after he said they had no Punk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The original recipe of Punk - about three recipe changes ago - was cribbed off Jaipur as that's what Martin Dickie had been working on before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Ah ok, I wasn't aware of that. I'll do a bit of researching.



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